JC
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| posted on 7/10/21 at 06:44 AM |
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Any Locostbuilder in the know about wind turbines....
My Wife showed me a picture purportedly showing fields of wind turbine blades abandoned because they had reached their life limit and are
unrecyclable. Not sure if it was fake news.
What is the life of a wind turbine blade? I presume that they are Kevlar/carbon fibre?
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 7/10/21 at 08:53 AM |
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Mostly fibreglass.
Yes they have a life, it's usually decades.
They're very hard to recycle in a useful manner.
It's still greener than oil.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 7/10/21 at 09:01 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
3. I don't recall who raised a question about whether EVs will be still viable after 10 year but seriously that's the most ridiculous
criticism I've heard in a while. Speaking for the i3, it has an aluminium chassis, carbon fibre shell and ding-proof plastic body panels which
will probably outlast all of us. It also has an 8 year warranty on battery and drivetrain which suggests it will last well beyond that in general
before major failures. But even if it does have a battery or motor or control unit failure, these parts will be available to purchase. Yes, a battery
pack might be something like £5k but that's no worse than and auto box on a modern BMW. Yes a motor might be £2-3k but that's better than
a full petrol or diesel engine... Yes the control unit might be £2k but that's not any worse than a petrol/Diesel engine either.
That is all for now.
Cheers.
Running costs are a lot cheaper if you're willing to throw thousands at depreciation, which is a spectacular waste of cash.
Not sure this is realistic TBH.
On a 10 year old car, no-one buys a new engine, or ECU if it fails, they scrap the car or buy a used unit. But I think the problem is there may not be
any economy in buying a used battery - a used engine at 10 years will likely last another 100K miles, a used battery won't. But it probably
won't be as bad as it seems and the naysayers make out. So overall I don't see that being much different really except the supply will
likely be a bit smaller as batteries are specific to a model, not to a range of models.
[Edited on 7/10/21 by coyoteboy]
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Schrodinger
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| posted on 7/10/21 at 10:07 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Mostly fibreglass.
Yes they have a life, it's usually decades.
They're very hard to recycle in a useful manner.
It's still greener than oil.
Isn't fibreglass made from oil?
As I understand it the turbines have a 25 year life.
Keith
Aviemore
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 7/10/21 at 10:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Schrodinger
quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Mostly fibreglass.
Yes they have a life, it's usually decades.
They're very hard to recycle in a useful manner.
It's still greener than oil.
Isn't fibreglass made from oil?
As I understand it the turbines have a 25 year life.
Yes, I worked on a large offshore windfarm of 103 turbines and was very surprised at been told this was the life span of the project. I was told it
was due to fatigue and erosion on the blades. It did seem a short time for so much effort and money. Time will tell if they replace the blades, maybe
even the turbines and reuse the jackets & infrastructure in the future. Maybe the site will be sold on to smaller operators like they have done
with the oil platforms.
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russbost
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| posted on 7/10/21 at 10:46 AM |
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"Running costs are a lot cheaper if you're willing to throw thousands at depreciation, which is a spectacular waste of cash" - but
that's true of buying any new car
A few years ago I bought a VW Phaeton (that's the one that's identical to the Bentley with different body panels), it was just over 2
years old & had done a bit over 90k miles, I bought it for £13k - it came with all original docs from the selling dealer - puchase price? £55k -
now that's what I'd call a spectacular waste of cash, their loss my gain 
I gave a price breakdown in an earlier post, but it's pretty clear some haven't read it so I'll put it in again here
I think the true costs are a LOT closer than you might think, my previous car was a Mazda 6 Sportnav, I bought it new, retail was around £24k, but I
actually paid £20,500 on a very good deal (Carwow's best offer was £23k!), I sold it 3 & 1/2 years later with just 17,500 on the clock for
£13k, so cost over 3.5 years was £7,5k so around £2150 a year, add to that 3 main dealer services to maintain warranty, around £200 a year plus a
largely wasted day of getting the car there & back each time, then add in £140 a year road tax, & around £750 a year fuel, so total £3240 a
year, would obviously have been higher if not for Covid basically shutting my mileage down for a 18 month period!
My Kona is on a lease, it's a £35.5k retail car compared with the £24k of the Mazda. I had absolutely no intention of buying one as I have no
idea where the market will be in 3 years time, but I suspect range will be better & real prices will have dropped. hence being simply able to give
it back was a very appealing option. £2300 up front & £250 a month for 3 years (35 payments), no road tax or congestion charge (not that I use the
congestion zone!), just 1 service at 2 years, probably around £150 cos there's really very little to service & fuel costs (taking the same
mileage of 17500 to give a fair comparison) probably around £300 allowing for charging away from home 10% of the time at 35p/kW & 5p kW at home
comes out at £11,500 or £3833 a year so costing me around £600 a year more for a higher spec car, that's £50 a month & I'd be prepared
to bet there are plenty of folks on here paying more than that for their TV package or their mobile phone. As a matter of interest you can have the
same spec Kona but with the less powerful motor & smaller battery pack for around £70 a month less, which would actually make it cheaper annual
costs than the Mazda
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ianhurley20
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 08:04 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
My Merc cost £12k and an EV (no one makes an Estate EV either) is more than £30,000 - 10 year pay back.
There are two EV estates, one is a Tesla that a company in Dereham, Norfolk converts to an estate (so a cheat , yes) The other is the MG5 which seems
very good value for money as you can find new discounted models at about 21,000 and quoted ranges seem good - not visited a showroom to look at one
yet but I will be doing so fairly soon
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sdh2903
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 08:59 AM |
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Are any leccy cars homogolated for towing? I'll bet towing would crucify the range too.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 09:14 AM |
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Originally posted by sdh2903
Are any leccy cars homogolated for towing? I'll bet towing would crucify the range too.
BMW iX3 – 750kg capacity
Citroen SpaceTourer – up to 1,900kg.
Ford Mustang Mach-e - 750kg
Hyundai Ioniq - 750kg
Hyundai Kona - 1,200kg (But the Kia sister cars, can't oddly).
Jaguar I-Pace - Just 750kg.
Mercedes EQA - 750kg
Mercdes EQC - 1,800kg around.
Nissan Leaf - no official towing capacity, but a bar-mounted bike rack can be fitted.
Nissan Ariya - 1,500kg.
Polestar 2 - 1,500kg
Skoda Enyaq - 1,200kg
Tesla Model 3 - 1,000kg (but the Model S can't tow)
Tesla Model X - 2,250kg. That’s the biggest of any electric car
Volvo XC40 Recharge - 1,500kg.
VW ID.4 - 1,500kg.
My Leaf has tremendous torque and could easy cope with local trips pulling even a large double axle trailer. And yes the range would get hammered,
especially up hills but it would still be useful for me. Sadly like many modern cars the manufacturer chose not to put it through the trailer
certification like my previous VW Up so I can't use it for that. This has in the past confused people into thinking that EV's can't
tow but that is simply not the case as Tesla and other have shown many times.
[Edited on 8/10/21 by Mr Whippy]
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HowardB
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 09:28 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ianhurley20
quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
My Merc cost £12k and an EV (no one makes an Estate EV either) is more than £30,000 - 10 year pay back.
There are two EV estates, one is a Tesla that a company in Dereham, Norfolk converts to an estate (so a cheat , yes) The other is the MG5 which seems
very good value for money as you can find new discounted models at about 21,000 and quoted ranges seem good - not visited a showroom to look at one
yet but I will be doing so fairly soon
thanks for that - I will have a look
Howard
Fisher Fury was 2000 Zetec - now a 1600 (it Lives again  and goes zoom)
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craig1410
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 01:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Running costs are a lot cheaper if you're willing to throw thousands at depreciation, which is a spectacular waste of cash.
Not sure this is realistic TBH.
On a 10 year old car, no-one buys a new engine, or ECU if it fails, they scrap the car or buy a used unit. But I think the problem is there may not be
any economy in buying a used battery - a used engine at 10 years will likely last another 100K miles, a used battery won't. But it probably
won't be as bad as it seems and the naysayers make out. So overall I don't see that being much different really except the supply will
likely be a bit smaller as batteries are specific to a model, not to a range of models.
[Edited on 7/10/21 by coyoteboy]
Well, I've got a 13 year old BMW E61 535d and have just spent £350 on a belt and pulley set. I recently replaced all the front suspension arms
and bushes at around £400. I've got the full set of brake rotors and pads to do soon at probably £600. I'm planning to rebuild the
slide/tilt sunroof which is about £600 and I would have no hesitation to buy pretty much whatever it needed to keep it on the road. No I
wouldn't probably buy a "new" engine since there will be good second hand engines available for much better value but I would be
prepared to have the auto box rebuilt for around £2k or to replace the turbo(s) for £1500 each or to replace the DPF if needed.
This is a car that was £60k when new which I bought for £8250 with 110k miles on the clock back in Feb 2020. It costs almost nothing in terms of
depreciation whereas with a new car I'd be paying 2-5k a year. So if I have to spend £1-2k a year to keep it in tip-top condition then so be it.
In reality, once the brakes and sunroof and suspension and belts etc are all done then it'll be a while before they'll be needed again so
I'd expect my annual maintenance to be more like £500 on average. That's a bargain IMO to drive a car like this which I wouldn't be
able to afford new. By maintaining it to a high degree with OE parts, including preventative maintenance, it performs like a new luxury car for a
fraction of the price of even a £20k average saloon.
Some folks prefer to lease a new car every 2-4 years and that's fine but those people will pay a heck of a lot more in depreciation in order to
drive a relatively mundane car than it costs me for maintenance. Each to their own though.
Re the battery pack - I agree you wouldn't tend to buy a used unit unless it was from a relatively new but perhaps written off car. But I
personally wouldn't have a problem with buying a new battery pack for our i3 at some point if we did decide to basically run it forever. Same
for the motor-generator or electronics. Even if it costs £6k we'd make that back in a year or two compared to the depreciation we'd be hit
with if we scrapped it and bought a new car.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 01:54 PM |
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I couldn't even slightly afford a new EV but I didn't have to since they've been decent EV's around for about 12 years now and
fortunately they do deprecate very quickly like most cars. I've spent most of my life driving old cheap cars, £250 - £500 was my normal budget
for a car and I was quite happy to work on them to keep it going.
But tbh a modern car is so much better in everyway and a EV so much better than an ICE car that I'm perfectly fine paying a few hundred a month
to have the pleasure of driving it. Yeah I could go back to old cars and noisy engines but I'd rather not.
It's kinda funny, I know lots of kids cos of my kids and none of them, not one seems to want anything other than an EV when they grow up, their
all about technology and gadgets, the environment etc. It's that generation I think that will make a sweeping change and ICE cars will be seen
as grandad's smell old thing that's laughably slow and noisy.
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craig1410
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 01:58 PM |
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Haha, yeah I know what you mean. I think it's a Volvo EV advert on TV where the "granddad" is making "broom broom"
noises while playing with a toy car with his grandchild and they are just looking at him as if he's crazy. Then they drive off silently in an
EV.
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number-1
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 05:51 PM |
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Well................ i log into a kit car building forum to see a 3 page thread on electric cars. I must admit.....it hurts. There is no mention of
fuel leaks, float bowls leaking, bhp............. what has the world become!!!! I expect to see most of you glued to junction 4 on the M4 over the
next few weeks
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russbost
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 06:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by number-1
Well................ i log into a kit car building forum to see a 3 page thread on electric cars. I must admit.....it hurts. There is no mention of
fuel leaks, float bowls leaking, bhp............. what has the world become!!!! I expect to see most of you glued to junction 4 on the M4 over the
next few weeks
Tell you something else too, since I've had it, no one has tried to siphon the electricity out of it or jack it up & nick the CAT - I wonder
when the scrotes will learn how to jack 'em up & nick the batteries! Can always hope they fry themselves trying!
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number-1
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 06:36 PM |
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I hope the cold weather doesnt drain the battery by as much as expected. Drones loose as much as 80 percent in the cold!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 09:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by number-1
I hope the cold weather doesn't drain the battery by as much as expected. Drones loose as much as 80 percent in the cold!
It does, to a certain extent, but not as much as you might think. In my KIA e-Niro I can get about 285 miles and about 4.8 - 5.0 miles/kWh when
absolutely everything is in my favour; when it's cold, wet & miserable it drops to around 245 miles and about 3.9 miles/kW/h - but that is
in poor conditions. My maths may very well be dodgy, but it's around those figures. For example, in the last last couple of weeks I've
been driving around the Scottish Highlands - Glencoe etc - in very cool conditions ( around 8C or less), torrential rain, and very steep hills, and
still got 3.6 miles/kW/h. Downhill on the other side was fun - every time I looked at the range it stayed unchanged, even increased occasionally, for
about 10 or 12 miles! After the descent my consumption average was back to usual.
There's an English YouTuber who drives a car like mine in Finland - he's even driven it at around -35C. The rest of the car was
complaining though, with groaning bushes and odd noises from the suspension.
I should add that the car will use some energy to heat the battery when in extreme conditions, but of course this is at the expense of range.
CORRECTIONS: It was Finland, not Iceland, and it was -35C not -30C!
Video here: https://youtu.be/dd3kcLlocF8
[Edited on 9/10/21 by David Jenkins]
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 8/10/21 at 11:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I couldn't even slightly afford a new EV but I didn't have to since they've been decent EV's around for about 12 years now and
fortunately they do deprecate very quickly like most cars. I've spent most of my life driving old cheap cars, £250 - £500 was my normal budget
for a car and I was quite happy to work on them to keep it going.
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I like my newer car, but it's really not much better in any appreciable way than my older car. And having driven lots of affordable newer cars,
they're soulless and awful. For a decent sized capable ev you're looking at 600-1200 a month. That's double my mortgage. It's
only the pricey ones that Are nice to drive. EVs may have been about for 12 years, but they've only been decent for 3, and those are still 40k
used.
[Edited on 8/10/21 by coyoteboy]
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russbost
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| posted on 9/10/21 at 10:15 AM |
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" For a decent sized capable ev you're looking at 600-1200 a month" - You're joking right? You'd get a Polestar or high
end Tesla for that, I've already pointed out my Kona, which is very, very capable, is just over £250 a month & less than £2.5k down - yes,
it's pretty soul less, but then so is pretty much everything modern as they all have full on Nanny facilities built in!
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Sanzomat
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| posted on 9/10/21 at 12:54 PM |
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I've been reading this thread with interest to hear some real world experience from people who actually have EVs and know something about cars
in general rather than all the tosh you hear from folks who haven't even sat in one. Thank you Guy Martin for catalysing the debate.
My own EV experience has been from company cars - most of my career I worked in an industry (construction) where almost all grades get a company car.
As the years passed and tax rules removed any benefit of having a company car I drifted off into taking the cash allowance equivalent instead and
sourcing my own car but instead of an unlimited choice the firms still restricted the max CO2 and age of car you could claim the allowance for so
"bangernomics" wasn't an option. In 2013 I went back to a company car when I found that by getting something with a really low CO2 I
could pay peanuts in company car tax and the only estate car (which I needed) on my list of choices which had low enough CO2 was a Prius+. It had the
added benefit of 7 seats if ever needed and burnt petrol at a similar rate to previous diesels I'd had and qualified for a 2p per mile higher
business mile rate than diesel so I was quids in there too (circa 20k business miles pa). Okay, not really an EV - maybe 2 miles of ICE off range but
that did get me from the bottom of the M32 to where I parked in central Bristol if I was light on the right hand pedal so good for city air quality.
Everyone laughed at me but I was 2-3k a year better off than them in their diesel Passats. I spent that 2-3k per year on kit cars and motorbikes like
any good Prius driver should... The Prius couldn't tow though.
Next company car choice came four years later and the tax benefit on ordinary hybrids had disappeared. They then had the Passat GTE plug-in hybrid in
estate form on my list and the tax was almost nothing. I went for that. Claimed 31 mile EV range which I actually got sometimes, in fact I actually
achieved a PB of 36 miles once. Mostly it was 25 miles though and in winter 21 if I didn't use the heater, 19 if I did. It was a 21 mile commute
for me then so the heater stayed off. No charger at work but for the first year they turned a blind eye to me running an extension lead out of the
window. As such all my home to work miles were EV and only the "to" miles were on my leccy bill. It could also tow so I got a trailer for
track day at that point. Sixteen miles on EV towing.
I actually think this plug-in was a great concept. In my first year 65% of all my mileage was done on electric. No range anxiety as I also had a tank
of petrol and a 1.4FSi ICE to fall back on. With both EV and ICE running together it was mighty quick and put a few big BMWs to shame. If I needed to
drive from Bristol to Newcastle, no bother, just use the petrol engine once the leccy has run out. Still got 42mpg on petrol.
As a concept for clean air in cities it is perfect. It had a hold mode where you could save your electric for the final phase of your journey if you
were doing a motorway run with a final leg in an urban area.
Big downsides - 16A max charge rate so public charging just wasn't worth it unless you were parking for a long time. If you were buying it with
your own money, big initial cost!
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| posted on 12/10/21 at 11:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by russbost
" For a decent sized capable ev you're looking at 600-1200 a month" - You're joking right? You'd get a Polestar or high
end Tesla for that, I've already pointed out my Kona, which is very, very capable, is just over £250 a month & less than £2.5k down - yes,
it's pretty soul less, but then so is pretty much everything modern as they all have full on Nanny facilities built in!
I have no idea how you're getting that price - for a 30K car (even a year old the lowest spec is ~30K) I've not found a kona EV poverty
spec cheaper than 500 a month with a 5K deposit.
No, no offence but I don't consider the Kona to be decent sized or capable for anyone other than joe average who rarely takes kit in the boot
and mostly does local driving. and that's fine, as that's most people I guess. To me it's a slightly bloated hatchback (as most cars
are these days, and which I struggled with over-filling and destroying the interior of! for years as a teenager) with *up to* a just about usable
range for what I need. I need something I can lob 2 bikes, some kitesurfing kit and a tent in, and take to some less than smooth beach locations 150
miles from a charger/fuel station. The closest thing to a usable rear volume is an i-pace, and even that has pretty poor loading shapes and the hatch
is very angled meaning you lose a chunk of usable volume for something like a bike. So then you have to pop it on the roof/boot and lose range. And
even that has poor range, looking optimistically.
Plug-in hybrid does solve that and give the benefits of low cost overnight charging, but then the normal mpg suffers (14 years ago I was happily
getting 60mpg from a 2 litre estate on a run) due to the added weight and complexity, plus the cost.
Plus of course, PCP on a new car is just laughing wildly while throwing cash onto a bonfire, so anyone not willing to close their eyes to massive
waste of cash is looking at the offerings from 4 years back.
[Edited on 12/10/21 by coyoteboy]
[Edited on 12/10/21 by coyoteboy]
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 12/10/21 at 12:22 PM |
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There's little point in arguing the toss tbh as you'll never please everyone and even if EV's could do everything an ICE car could,
they'd still argue so I don't care less if anyone switches to EV or not, after all it's not me who pay's their bills.
Like it or not EV's will eventually replace ICE, not yet but maybe in the next 10-20 years as cars improve and fuel costs continue to rise or
have limited availability, almost everyone will turn to electric. Like I said younger generations like my kids only want an EV and even this morning
on the way to school were complaining that engine cars stink, literally
All I'd say is if an EV can work for you, maybe as the main car then you can save a lot of money and should offset the cost of still having an
cheap second ICE car for when the EV doesn't quite have the range or capacity. I have still got my little Fiesta which is used very rarely for
towing a small trailer and our trailer tent and that's my solution.
I have notice a lot of people buying Hybrids thinking that they are similar to EV's but that's mainly due to them not understanding the
difference and then being confused as to why they are not seeing any saving at all. One day they may actually figure it out but I won't hold my
breath.
[Edited on 12/10/21 by Mr Whippy]
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 12/10/21 at 12:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I have notice a lot of people buying Hybrids thinking that they are similar to EV's but that's mainly due to them not understanding the
difference and then being confused as to why they are not seeing any saving at all. One day they may actually figure it out but I won't hold my
breath.
All they will do is add to the number of things that require maintenance, or could go wrong.
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russbost
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| posted on 12/10/21 at 01:07 PM |
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"I have no idea how you're getting that price - for a 30K car (even a year old the lowest spec is ~30K) I've not found a kona EV
poverty spec cheaper than 500 a month with a 5K deposit." Ha, Ha! You need to look a LOT harder, first forget PCP cheapest PCP deal I found was
around £100 dearer & higher deposit for virtually no advantage, mine is far from poverty spec & is brand new (delivery mileage was around 250
IIRC) on a 21 plate it's the Electric Kona Premium 150kW motor, 64kWh battery & it's also pearl metallic which should have been extra
but came FoC! Must admit I couldn't work out how they can do a £35,500 (over £36k actually with the paint) car for that money, but I'm not
arguing, it's on my drive & definitely not a figment of my imagination - the only downside if you can call it that is that is that
it's based on 8,000 miles a year, but even if you go over a bit it's not too onerous
As regards decent sized, it's perfectly adequate I would say for a family of 4 to go on holiday in, & plenty of room for 5 in comfort if
you're not carrying tons of luggage, I'd much have preferred an estate like the MG simply because it's so much more versatile (&
better looking), but range is nowhere near as good
TBH, so far as I can see what you are describing is a van, minibus or camper & you certainly don't want something like that on a lease as
the chances of returning it without damage given the type of use you describe, is about nil, add to that that even ICE vans are utter extortion for
what they are (a tin box with a plush cab!) & you would most certainly be talking big bucks. Electric vans at present are crap, with very limited
range if carrying significant loads so far as I'm aware problem being that if you take up load space with batteries, you've basically
defeated the object of it being a van!
I believe Tesla have a sort of monster luxury 7 seater thingy, & I believe it has good range, but dread to even imagine the price tag. The iPace
is ugly, not a lot bigger inside than most medium SUV's & starts at base level at silly prices - I did say that I'm not particularly
an advocate of electric cars & they certainly aren't suitable for everyone nor for all types of use
Below is a screenshot from Zapmap, this happens to be Cornwaii as you mentioned beaches "beach locations 150 miles from a charger/fuel
station" - if you can find a beach location anything like 150 miles from the nearest charge point I will personally give you a prize! Ok, they
aren't all fast charge points, but if you're stopping somewhere to eat or sleep that is far less relevant. If you think I chose Cornwall
as it has the best charge points, actually quite the opposite, even the Highlands of Scotland & the Scottish islands have charge points
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A plug in hybrid solves absolutely nothing, it's simply an ICE car dressed up in an electric frock - most of them can't do much more than
30 miles or so on pure electric
"Plus of course, PCP on a new car is just laughing wildly while throwing cash onto a bonfire" - well I can agree on that, hence why I
don't use PCP & never have - but that goes for ICE or electric it has nothing specific to do with one or the other.
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Originally posted by sdh2903
Excellent, leaves more fuel left for the rest of us
Good read all this
Best debate on here for ages
I can see points for and against, but at the end of the day oil ain't going to be around forever
One did nearly run me over the other day though as I didn't hear it coming and it wasn't hanging about 
Did I read somewhere that main dealers won't supply parts for these to independents unless they can show their mechanics have completed
certain courses ?
I also read that we'd had to turn a coal power station back on a couple of months ago due to no wind or waves so the grid was short of power
I'm sure Boris will have worked this out in his calculations going forward though
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