Jon Ison
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| posted on 24/8/06 at 07:57 PM |
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Originally posted by procomp
Hi did you really mention the mk gt and radical in the same sentence and compare handeling. I would sugest you do some research on the lap times of
jon isons car in the 750 rgb. And then look at the radical clubsport's that can be brought for 4.5k and then road registerd so say 6k on the
road.
cheers matt
Again too be fair I'm a "fair weather" racer, some of the guys in RGB are National Champions so again its not really like for like,
there are quicker cars than the Radical in RGB too, the Radical suffers in RGB due too having too raise ride height which loses some of its aero
aids.
My car was driven around Donnington by A.N. other 2 seconds quicker than me and 2 secs off the front runners pace at the time, come on give us a
break, Ive got a straight from bike 3 season old engine, one set of tyres all season, sierra brakes front and rear, only just manage too scrape the
weight limit, and a carb'd blackbird engine best part of 40-50bhp down too the front runners with there piggy back ecu's on there
blueprinted busa and ZX12 engines, hence I have too look for cheap speed, alter rear end etc........
I had an off over a year ago and its still not completely back together due too funds, its called racing on a budget, well no budget actually,
The GT1, GTr given the funds too develop them, an engine and driver better than me & mine could get up there......
Think what I'm trying too say your not really comparing like with like, chassis development, driver capabilities and engine.
oh one last point, the Radicals doing well in RGb cant be had for £4.5K, there engines might though, and I'll stick my head over the parapet
too, what are they doing in RGB ? hardly in the spirit of things too the point the 750club have made noises that they don't like them in there
as it puts potential "kit car" racers off thinking of doing RGB in the 1st place.
Can direct you too the rumblings about this if you wish.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 24/8/06 at 08:06 PM |
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Here is a snippet, basically the rumor mill as Class A cars been moved into bikesports as if the truth be known there ain't many true class A
cars left, there out and out racers not "kits", again ready too be shot down.....
Contentious issue number two, and I really hope that Jonathan and Darcy will still speak to me! When viewed from the outside, the Radicals in
particular look out of place in RGB. This is the view of pretty much all of the 750MC committee, motorsport journalists, motorsport spectators and
pretty much anyone you speak to who is contemplating racing with RGB. Certainly much of this is down to perception, as the Radical is such a well
known and successful race car, but its brand identity is some way off the rest of the RGB grid. This bothers the 750MC enormously, and there is
significant recent evidence that shows how a formula (Roadsports) can be damaged when a disparity exists with a high budget front running car.
Before the airways are filled with protests I should stress this is a perception, albeit a powerful and strongly held one. We can talk about Martin’s
success at Cadwell in the wet etc till we are blue in the face, but the fact is that Jonathan running away and winning by 20-30 secs at Brands with
Marcus Pye watching from the media centre will have more than reinforced these perceptions, and it is this combined with the economic pressure that
has led to the current proposal.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 24/8/06 at 08:13 PM |
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So, for someone on a budget (me) the gt1/gtr is the best bet? Especially given that I won't be racing with it.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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wheezy
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 08:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
So, for someone on a budget (me) the gt1/gtr is the best bet? Especially given that I won't be racing with it.
I have to agree with you there. If you are looking for a car for the occasional track day that is also fun to drive on the open road and will also
turn a few heads and you are on a buget you cant get much better than the GT-R (Iam a bit biased).
And if you take your car to Le Mans most people think you are driving a Radical anyway
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procomp
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 08:52 AM |
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Hi so there you have it you can have a car that sort of looks like a race car that is suitable for a sunday afternoon drive that will only cost you
£-?. But put it on a track day and get left behind by a hole host of other kicars that have cost 4-8k including a genuine radical or even an
elise-mx5.
It's almost got the looks but it ain't got the handeling. Just needs the neon lights and the big crome exhaust and you can join the others
down the asda carpark on a saturday night.
cheers matt
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DIY Si
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 09:53 AM |
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Since you seem to know fair bit about racing these type of things, what would make it handle the way you'd expect? Different set up, different
chassis altogether or something else? Also, how would you say the Gt-R handles when compared with an Indy? As this is what I currently have and wish
to go to something better? And I already know you don't really like the indy.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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Crazy Jay
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 10:24 AM |
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Procomp hav u driven the GTR?
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JoelP
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 12:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by procomp
But put it on a track day and get left behind by a hole host of other kicars that have cost 4-8k
not so on any trackdays ive been to. In my bec locost with dreadful handling i only get overtaken a few times each day, and its rare that there are
cars you cant keep up with. Exceptions are the nutters with busas and cossy turbos, but theres never many of them.
Plus trackdays are about fun, so it wouldnt matter if you got dropped anyway.
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about mks in general matt, any reason? 
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ASH3
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 07:48 PM |
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Why is it some people think that by puttin
a kit car on the track it has to beet the rest
surely its the fun of bein out there that counts.
Who is this Procomp anyway sounds like he is on here to anoy us all!
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JoelP
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 08:13 PM |
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http://www.procomp.co.uk/
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 08:19 PM |
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Just a couple of points so people know where I'm coming from.........
This "Don't knock MK" thing that crops up ?
I'm afraid I will always stand there corner as without generosity way and beyond the call of duty from Martin, Phil and Bazz there is know way I
would ever have ventured onto a race track.
RGB class A ? I cant think of one car in there that's a "kit" that punters can buy, well you can buy them I suppose but there not
the "kit" you buy too run on the road but the "race developed" derivative chassis cost 3 times the kit price, brakes,
suspension etc...... The big debate at the moment is too scrap class A and just run the fire blade class C as in 750mc's own words.. "
class A is full of race cars made road legal" rather than "road cars modded too race" They want too put class A cars into
bikesports, wings slicks etc which is where maybe cars like the radical belong anyway ?
Sour grapes, maybe I dunno, you decide but its a bit disheartening sometimes when it rains and you've only one set of tyres and whilst your
cooking on your disposable BBQ you can see the lap tops out plugged into cars, only thing I plug in is jump leads......
The GT1 was never a race car, but IMHO a nice looking kit, I just decided too race one with huge help from the people mentioned above.
Knockers please remember, without racers like myself there would be no racing.
[Edited on 25/8/06 by Jon Ison]
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Coose
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 10:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
http://www.procomp.co.uk/
Ahhh, now it makes sense.... 
As far as track days are concerned, who cares if you get overtaken - so long as you're having fun it doesn't matter!
And regarding Jon's comment - I support the shoestring club racer to the bitter end! I race bikes in the Yorkshire hillclimb championship (came
3rd overall last year) but had a massive get-off at the first meeting this year on my TZ250 GP bike, causing too much damage for me to afford to fix.
This means that this season has been a wash-out for me.... 
If you have a class that is meant to be competitive - keep it competitive! Ban slicks, laptops, weather stations (though I have one), Winnebagos
etc.
If a class is meant to be cheap (i.e. RGB) keep it cheap!
I think we've gone a bit off-thread here....
Spin 'er off Well...
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DIY Si
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| posted on 29/8/06 at 12:26 PM |
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So, apart from procomp, most deem the car, as with most kits, to be perfectly acceptable for general/fast road/odd track day use? Remebering it only
costs £6-7k(ish) to be on the road.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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wheezy
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| posted on 29/8/06 at 12:50 PM |
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There is also a review of the Spire GT-R on the Total kitcar website from a few months ago.
LINK
He seems to like it as well.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 7/9/06 at 11:16 PM |
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Since i'm looking more and more at this, anyone know of a smallish (size wise, not nessecarily cc wise) v8 that might fit? Any other engines
that might do nicely? Im thinking audi/vw 1.8T (tuned to 200+bhp), zx 12R, zzr1400, or Duratec (or similar) V6. Suggestions and comments please gent
and ladies.
[Edited on 7/9/06 by DIY Si]
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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DIY Si
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| posted on 8/9/06 at 11:02 PM |
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Whilst I'd love to have uch a mental level of power, I have to run all this pass the boss. Also, how much would the engine and box weigh? It
might be a fair squeeze in the boot! I also love having a 11k+ rpm limit, so am probably looking at zx12 or if I can find/steal one zzr1400, since a
mate of mine is starting work in the industry so parts might have just gotten cheaper!
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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dilley
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| posted on 11/4/07 at 08:12 AM |
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has anyone got any build pics of the gtr???chassis,engine position etc.....
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