Findlay234
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 07:43 AM |
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Asking all SVA and VOSA experts (and people with any info)
Have a look at this and let me know what you think. I would have thought he wouldnt need to rebuild the car from scratch, maybe just proove he did the
work himself with photos. But then what if youd got all the work done yourself.
Let me know your views and ill let the Lada guys know.
http://www.mra-consultants.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6744&highlight=
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andrew.boyle
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 08:18 AM |
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ive got a m8 who was thinking about this and basically if you tke it off the road do LOADS of work and the put it back on the road ure screwed
but if it gradually evolves over time then it doesnt matter
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becauyse you can say things like the engine broke so i replaced it and thne the gearbox broke so i replaced it etcetc and you end up with a car
thats got nothing in common with the original but its evolved over time and aslong as your receipts span a few years you would be fine
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 08:22 AM |
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If he's modified the chassis then it's a radically altered vehicle and needs an SVA.
Talking a load of rubbish about having to strip down and do a photo build diary though; SVA has never required anything like that. Photos of the odd
hidden item can be helpful but are not compulsory.
Edit to say: apparently in fact SVA do now like to see photos or similar evidence to prove the vehicle is amateur-built.
[Edited on 20/11/07 by matt_claydon]
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 08:27 AM |
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Quote from direct.gov.uk :
quote:
The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand
or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used, an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval
(SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required
If you shorten the chassis it's a cut and shut and to be able to drive it on the road (and more importantly sell it on to someone else) in my
opinion it's absolutely right that it should need SVA.
[Edited on 20/11/07 by matt_claydon]
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Fozzie
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 09:52 AM |
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Yep, agree with Matt's 2 posts!
Fozzie 
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 10:06 AM |
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Ohh well there goes my plans for turning the old Nova on my drive into a RWD chav baiter. 
a "Q" plate would be the giveaway on a "Q" Car that something was not quite standard..
ditch
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 11:06 AM |
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I think converting to RWD might be OK, borderline perhaps if you start chopping the chassis up but it depends how you interpret the term
'modified'.
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Delinquent
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 11:28 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ditchlewis
Ohh well there goes my plans for turning the old Nova on my drive into a RWD chav baiter.
a "Q" plate would be the giveaway on a "Q" Car that something was not quite standard..
ditch
why would it be a Q plate? (on this or the other car mentioned?) It's using all the standard items from the "donor" vehicle, so it
should get age related - or in other words, just a slightly different plate to current shouldn't it?!
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tks
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 11:42 AM |
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i think that that you cant do it in steps.
because every time they return they will take a new vehicle as standard en just start counting.
(i guess they do it this way).
sow you just have a max. credit of 8 points.
wy the hell did he mod a chasis! in every country thats the part wich cant be touched.
it would have given him 5points!!
just for not bolting but welding etc...
tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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iank
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 11:49 AM |
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As Delinquent says you wouldn't get a Q plate? Same engine, gearbox, suspension, steering etc gets you an age related plate.
The rules are exactly the same as for locosts etc.
The problem with SVA for old cars (IMO) are things like switchgear, heater controls, possibly seatbelt height etc.
[Edited on 20/11/07 by iank]
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 12:09 PM |
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i think that the extent that a shell would have to be modified to make a FWD to a RWD is too much to get away with.
you would have to have a new engine and gear box, the rear floor and axle would go also.
the nova i have is a 1 litre so gutless the plan was 200 sx motor and box or a 2.6 V6 & box from an omega.
plan was as attached.
i love "Q" cars and all the money spent would have gone where it counts and none on cosmetics
Does the vitari have a separate chassis? or is it a monoque? if its the latter then surely you are making a masive alteration to the original
structure of the car!!! and so an SVA would be needed.
ditch
[Edited on 20/11/07 by ditchlewis]
 
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martyn_16v
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 12:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
As Delinquent says you wouldn't get a Q plate? Same engine, gearbox, suspension, steering etc gets you an age related plate.
But if you convert a Nova to RWD chances are you won't have the same engine, gearbox, suspension or steering.
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robinj66
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 12:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
Talking a load of rubbish about having to strip down and do a photo build diary though; SVA has never required anything like that. Photos of the odd
hidden item can be helpful but are not compulsory.
Sorry to say that the SVA do now require build up photos to satisfy themselves that your car is indeed amateur-built. Seems that the changes came in
this autumn
http://community.rhocar.org/index.php?showtopic=17540
 
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 12:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by robinj66
Sorry to say that the SVA do now require build up photos to satisfy themselves that your car is indeed amateur-built. Seems that the changes came in
this autumn
Fair enough. If you started your build ages ago, before this came in, I'm sure they will be reasonable and go with whatever proof you have
though.
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 12:47 PM |
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good job i started the sva process in the summer as i only had a few pic's of my build. SWMBO is the family photographer and we only met as i
started the build.
ditch
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 12:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
As Delinquent says you wouldn't get a Q plate? Same engine, gearbox, suspension, steering etc gets you an age related plate.
The rules are exactly the same as for locosts etc.
Actually they aren't. Most kit cars are clasified as 'Kit conversions' whereas what's being discussed here is described as a
'Radically altered vehicle'. The latter operates on the points scheme.
If you've got enough points and the chassis in UNMODIFIED, you just keep the original reg and all is fine. If you don't make the 8 points
or the chassis is modified you need SVA and will get a Q.
Age-related plates only come in to play for kit conversions where a new chassis and two major components from a donor vehicle have been
used.
All the info is on DirectGov.
Radically altered vehicles:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199
Rebuilt vehicles, kit cars and kit conversions:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014246
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Delinquent
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 12:57 PM |
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interesting (and remarkably stupid, but then it is a government scheme so expect nothing less!)
So the best thing to do would be to buy the car, take everything off, build your own shorter chassis, then bolt everything back on, to avoid the Q
plate.
Yep, sounds like typical authority joined up thinking!
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britishtrident
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 01:21 PM |
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In the reverse situation lengthening the chassis the DVLA are demanding SVA to the extent they had a major clamp down on stretched limos operators
operating ridiculously over streched vehicles that haven't been through SVA.
[Edited on 20/11/07 by britishtrident]
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iank
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 01:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
quote:
Originally posted by iank
As Delinquent says you wouldn't get a Q plate? Same engine, gearbox, suspension, steering etc gets you an age related plate.
The rules are exactly the same as for locosts etc.
Actually they aren't. Most kit cars are clasified as 'Kit conversions' whereas what's being discussed here is described as a
'Radically altered vehicle'. The latter operates on the points scheme.
If you've got enough points and the chassis in UNMODIFIED, you just keep the original reg and all is fine. If you don't make the 8 points
or the chassis is modified you need SVA and will get a Q.
Age-related plates only come in to play for kit conversions where a new chassis and two major components from a donor vehicle have been
used.
All the info is on DirectGov.
Radically altered vehicles:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199
Rebuilt vehicles, kit cars and kit conversions:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014246
Fair enough. But you can register the rwd nova as a kit conversion under the rules presented.
This will get age related on the engine+gearbox from the donor.
"If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing
vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned."
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iank
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 02:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
quote:
Originally posted by robinj66
Sorry to say that the SVA do now require build up photos to satisfy themselves that your car is indeed amateur-built. Seems that the changes came in
this autumn
Fair enough. If you started your build ages ago, before this came in, I'm sure they will be reasonable and go with whatever proof you have
though.
Has this actually been publicised anywhere, by the DVLA for example? It seems initially like some bit of randomness coming from a DVLA employee -
since going back in time isn't an option how do they expect anyone to be able to comply if they don't know. Some of us don't take
our decent cameras into oily garages, so up to now I've only got a couple of photos where I've been asking questions about stuff. Where
does this leave people who buy part finished kits, it's going to be a bit obvious even if you do get the PO's build photos (assuming they
took any).
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locoboy
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| posted on 20/11/07 at 05:02 PM |
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So does that mean that my bobtailed range rover should be sva'd seeing as i have cut 18 inches off the 2 rear chassis legs and moved the rear
cross member forward to suit?
The wheelbase is sitll the same, its just got very little rear overhang now.
ATB
Locoboy
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 21/11/07 at 09:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
Has this actually been publicised anywhere, by the DVLA for example? It seems initially like some bit of randomness coming from a DVLA employee -
Nothing to do with DVLA, you need to get in touch with VOSA if you want an answer on that one.
Nothing about it in the SVA notices here though:
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/publications/svainformationbulletins/svainformationbulletins.htm
so it seems unlikely it is a general policy decision, maybe just a particular station getting picky? Unless of course it's actually in the
latest version of the manual.
[Edited on 21/11/07 by matt_claydon]
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hughjinjin
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| posted on 21/11/07 at 01:38 PM |
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what would appear on the rgistration document of such a car under make and model?
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iank
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| posted on 21/11/07 at 10:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
quote:
Originally posted by iank
Has this actually been publicised anywhere, by the DVLA for example? It seems initially like some bit of randomness coming from a DVLA employee -
Nothing to do with DVLA, you need to get in touch with VOSA if you want an answer on that one.
Nothing about it in the SVA notices here though:
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/publications/svainformationbulletins/svainformationbulletins.htm
so it seems unlikely it is a general policy decision, maybe just a particular station getting picky? Unless of course it's actually in the
latest version of the manual.
[Edited on 21/11/07 by matt_claydon]
You're right, I was accepting the rhocar posting(s) at face value. That and it being the DVLA that require the pile of receipts for
registration which threw me.
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