marcyboy
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 08:59 AM |
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wasn't larkin gay,
which might explain a mamby pamby liberal approach...
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krlthms
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 06:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by marcyboy
wasn't larkin gay,
Don't know; I thought he was a poet.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 07:03 PM |
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Interestingly enough:
1987 - State school ban Cp
1999 - Ind. schools ban CP
2001 - Ind schools as for re-introduction of CP
WHY?
The following is text extracted from "The Guardian" in 2001. Written by a school headmaster:
"We are noticing that our standards are being eroded slowly but surely," Mr Williamson said. "Since 1987, when corporal discipline
was removed from state schools, standards have plummeted and it is reflected in the violence in our classrooms."
The headteacher stressed that the school would not cane children. "For younger pupils, we would smack them on the hand or leg using the
teacher's hand. With older pupils, girls would be strapped on the hand by a lady teacher, and boys would be smacked on the backside with
something akin to a ruler, but wider," he said.
"We have vast experience in using these means and our parents are perfectly happy in the way we have handled children. We have contented
children, a secure atmosphere and no discipline problems at all.
"In the past we found that certainly with older pupils, we rarely had to administer [physical punishment]. It is definitely a
deterrent."
Last year 85% of pupils taking GCSEs at the school achieved five or more A starred to C grades.
I think the correlation between lack of disclipline generally and the school age suicide rate in the last 20 years is staggering. (It has tripled - in
case you ask) Information gathered from various sources.
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JoelP
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 07:31 PM |
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electric treadmills are all well and good, but i still prefer my Human Recycling Machine - we all need a good supply of leather, glue and dogfood. do
a search if you dont remember it! 
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krlthms
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 07:36 PM |
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Interestingly enough, around this very same period the quality of Rover cars went drastically downhill. Do you think Rover workers (you can
substitute British Rail, NHS, etc) deserve a good thrashing?
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Hellfire
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 07:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by krlthms
Interestingly enough, around this very same period the quality of Rover cars went drastically downhill. Do you think Rover workers (you can
substitute British Rail, NHS, etc) deserve a good thrashing?
1. Rover and cars... hmm interesting, did they build 'quality' one's then 
2. British Rail... was it really any good?
3. NHS... 1987? Good?
Add those to the mining industry... wasn't it more to do with the government of the day? No political bias intended. I see a trend emerging -
don't you? BTW - what's happened to dear old Mark Thatcher? Has he been stripped of his title due to his alleged funding of dodgy
organisations... strange how it comes back to haunt! 
[Edited on 2-2-05 by Hellfire]
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Simon
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 09:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
electric treadmills are all well and good, but i still prefer my Human Recycling Machine - we all need a good supply of leather, glue and dogfood. do
a search if you dont remember it!
Fan of Soylent Green perhaps?
As for MGR making good cars, well...
ATB
Simon
 
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JoelP
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 09:43 PM |
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nope, just googled it though - what a great idea for a film!
how goes the new chariot?!
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britishtrident
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 09:49 PM |
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CP is OK but for car theft we need to bring back hanging
From cartoon watching I seem to remember Homer Simpson thinks Soylent Green was a great movie.
Never saw the film in its time as was to busy going to see Vanishing Point .
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britishtrident
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 09:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by marcyboy
wasn't larkin gay,
which might explain a mamby pamby liberal approach...
Don't think gay is quite the right word Larkin had a lot I mean really huge number of female lovers.
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DavidM
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 10:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
two points here david.
i have the right to drive where i like when i like how i like. if i chose to drive my kids to school, especially as one of mine went to school in the
next town, 8 miles away, i will do that. how the frig does that have anything to do with anything?
my wife is doing a degree in childcare. There is a theory that allowing any smacking or violence to kids is wrong as there is no clear limit to whats
right or wrong - how hard is a smak before it becomes a violent blow, before it becomes a life threatening injury?
four childeren a week die in this country because of abuse by someone they know. thats suprising isnt it? thats two pairs of holly and jessicas a
week. It likely starts with a violent family member that gests worse and worse till the point where voilence becomes deadly.
some might see this as 'pc' or liberal, but 200 more kids would have seen xmas last year than did. At that rate 14 or so kids have already
died at the hands of violent parents / partners / relatives so far this year.
If people knew that violence of any kind to a child was wrong, that could be no shaken baby syndrome, cos any shake would be too hard.
atb
steve
[Edited on 31/1/05 by stephen_gusterson]
You're right Steve, you can drive your car anywhere, whenever you want. The point I'm making is that kids are spoilt, life is made to easy
for them, they don't have to do anything for themselves, and their expectations and aspirations are raised to a level they may find difficult to
realise in the future.
I don't think banning a parent from smacking their child would save a single victim of abuse. Abuse is a totally different matter. The
distinction is clear, abuse always involves other factors, i.e. alcohol, menace, anger, deceit etc.
Like all good deterrents a smack works best when it is available but rarely or never used.
David
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krlthms
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| posted on 2/2/05 at 10:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
quote:
Originally posted by krlthms
I
Add those to the mining industry... wasn't it more to do with the government of the day? No political bias intended. I see a trend emerging -
don't you? BTW - what's happened to dear old Mark Thatcher? Has he been stripped of his title due to his alleged funding of dodgy
organisations... strange how it comes back to haunt!
[Edited on 2-2-05 by Hellfire]
Sir Mark to you!
Last I heard he was planning a coup d'etat in Algeria, if he could only find it on the map
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marcyboy
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| posted on 3/2/05 at 01:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
quote:
Originally posted by marcyboy
wasn't larkin gay,
which might explain a mamby pamby liberal approach...
Don't think gay is quite the right word Larkin had a lot I mean really huge number of female lovers.
if he swung both ways... he would still be gay... even if only for half of the time,
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Hellfire
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| posted on 3/2/05 at 05:36 PM |
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Did any of you guys listen to "5Live" today... isn't it strange how this subject keeps cropping up?
Turns out my daughter was being bullied at school... at the meeting I was present at today in school - expulsion was suggested/inferred. The reason
why my daughter was being threatened with expulsion... for defending herself.... F.F.S. the world has gone mad!
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marcyboy
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| posted on 3/2/05 at 06:57 PM |
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basicly YES !!
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Mark18
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| posted on 4/2/05 at 11:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
electric treadmills are all well and good, but i still prefer my Human Recycling Machine - we all need a good supply of leather, glue and dogfood. do
a search if you dont remember it!
Fan of Soylent Green perhaps?
As for MGR making good cars, well...
ATB
Simon
It's people!!
Back on subject, I'm only 22 and I voted for CP, as a youngster I was a bit of a handful - I'm glad I got landed with the parents I
have.
Mark
"I don't know what I may seem to the world. But as to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore and diverting myself
now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than the ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me." -
Isaac Newton
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chunkielad
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| posted on 5/2/05 at 12:22 AM |
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My son got called into the school headmasters office last year and told off for defending himself. When I went in to give the headteacher a
bollocking, I asked him what he would do if I stood up and punched and kicked him. He apologised to Thomas (my son) and explained that the general
teaching practise to to avoid ALL violence no matter what.
I then asked what had been done to stop the boy who Tom had hit back as this lad had picked on Tom for months. He said the lad had been suspended.
2 weeks later, the lad fronts up to Tom and says thanks for the time off. To which Tom replies. Next time, I'll make sure you don't enjoy
it, Hospital food isn't nice
Funny, the lad never troubled Tom after. The school failed in dealing with the situation but standing up to the bully worked.
I say that if he'd had a slap by his parents and the teacher had caned his hands the very first time he bullied Tom, none of this would have
been needed.
These boys are nione years old.
[Edited on 5/2/05 by chunkielad]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 5/2/05 at 01:22 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chunkielad
2 weeks later, the lad fronts up to Tom and says thanks for the time off. To which Tom replies. Next time, I'll make sure you don't enjoy
it, Hospital food isn't nice
Funny, the lad never troubled Tom after. The school failed in dealing with the situation but standing up to the bully worked.
This is the problem it seems... he got expelled, went or stayed at home, played on the PC or PS2 went out smashing up glass bus shelter's. No
difficult school etc... thanks indeed he says.
So is this the answer to CP?
Instead of expelling - secure the darlings in a room with nothing, except homework. He/she does not leave the room all day... breaks and lunchtime
they spend in the room. Their lunch is brought to them...
This is being trialled at a school near me now...
[Edited on 5-2-05 by Hellfire]
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DorsetStrider
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| posted on 5/2/05 at 02:27 AM |
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Just a thought but bringing back the cane alone won't help.... parents also need to be made responsible.
My parents may not be perfect examples.... but when I was at school if I got into trouble and they found out about it I could expect a bloody good
hiding when I got home!!!
Nowdays if a teacher etc tells a child off for something the next day they will have their mothers down the school defending the little SOB.
Who the f**K tightened this up!
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DorsetStrider
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| posted on 5/2/05 at 02:33 AM |
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One other thought..... Caning will not be brought back..... reason? because the vast majourity of people (who think it should be brought back) are for
the most part not very vocal.... the small minority of liberals that seem to beleive we live in a perfect world where everything can be sorted out
with a kind word are a very vocal bunch.
As a result the people at the top listen to the outspoken lot because the others arnt' saying a word.
Who the f**K tightened this up!
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Hellfire
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| posted on 5/2/05 at 10:48 AM |
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It's ironic then that 90% of people who expressed an opinion want CP re-instating. I suggest writing a letter to your local MP... see what good
it will do.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 5/2/05 at 04:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
It's ironic then that 90% of people who expressed an opinion want CP re-instating. I suggest writing a letter to your local MP... see what good
it will do.
I seem to remember a former MP Harvey Proctor ? who was rather too keen on administering CP ;-)
[Edited on 5/2/05 by britishtrident]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 5/2/05 at 04:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
It's ironic then that 90% of people who expressed an opinion want CP re-instating. I suggest writing a letter to your local MP... see what good
it will do.
I seem to remember a former MP Harvey Proctor ? who was rather too keen on administering CP ;-)
[Edited on 5/2/05 by britishtrident]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 5/2/05 at 05:43 PM |
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Heard you the first time
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