I am at the expensive part of the build, I need so many parts to continue the progress I have been making.
I need brake flexies, I don't want stainless, or ones that I have to make myself, I just want to phone my local factors, demand a ridiculous % of
discount, and ask for a pair of flexies from a road car that will fit my book chassis with book wishbones and Cortina uprights. I tried a search but
it was far from conclusive.
I have heard the Cortina Mk5 will be OK, any confirmation? Part numbers would be really nice!!
Thanks
Mark
I bought std flexies from a granada for my car - which was the original donor. I didnt use em cos they were way too short.
I bought custom ones at about 15 quid a chuck from merlin motorsport. Basically braided were the only game in town.
I thin the rubber std ones were 50 - 70 of the cost of braided anyway....
btw - the whole friggin thing is the most expensive bit of the build..... its the cheapness of the chassis steel that lulls you into a false sense of
economy..... then it all piles up on you and you realise ron champion was bullshitting.
atb
steve
I love that last bit, very nicely summarised, for once I am not going to argue with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not difficult to make the hoses up yourself, the bits from rally design (www.raldes.co.uk) are cheap enough (off the top of my head as their
website seems to be down, £4 per end fitting and about £5 a metre for the hose? something like that anyway)
two pairs of standard sierra front flexi's have gone on mine, they are just long enough to cover lock to lock, but i had to position the bulkhead
mounts carefully. They were about £20 all in.
I hadnt noticed that you were arguing with me at times - im gonna have to be a lot more stroppy with you from now on 
BTW - the fittings - according to sva - must not be push in type - which infers they have to be crimped, which infers the use of a special tool which
infers you cant make em easily yourself.
I wonder if thats the start of an argument
atb
steve
errrr, sort of! You CAN use self assembled ends, with seperate olives, as long as they have an "inner support tube", which the rally design
fittings do have. (read the thread on "Euroquip 600 hose and fittings" this explains)
I know of a lot of cars using these type of assembled fittings which go straight through the SVA.
If I have to make up the hoses myself, I will, but the advantage of standard one is that if I order them at 8:30 tomorrow, I will have them delivered
to me by 10:00. I buy about 10K a week in parts, and choose the suppliers myself according to discounts, speed of delivery and profficiency of the
suppliers. If I order something and say I want 60% discount for myself, I usually get it!!
Joel, I am guessing your sierra hoses were for sierra hubs and calipers? If so I don't think they would be suitable for my Cortina M16's, as
they have a short standing pipe running from the caliper inlet - or do I stand corrected?
I have the advantage that my ally front side panels are about 2" further outboard than anyone elses, so I can get away with shorter hoses.
Comments?
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
Joel, I am guessing your sierra hoses were for sierra hubs and calipers? If so I don't think they would be suitable for my Cortina M16's, as they have a short standing pipe running from the caliper inlet - or do I stand corrected?
Some people use banjo fittings on the M16, I personally don't think this is a good idea, as the M16 is designed for a compressed brake pipe flare
to be fitted into the inlet. Joel, I see your point about the end of the the small standing brake pipe being closer to the pivot point and less prone
to twisting and fowling, which amplifies my original question about Mk5 hoses fitting a book chassis.
Someone MUST have fitted standard hoses to a book chasis/ front running gear.
No reason not to use standard Cortina flexies they are more than long enough and by far the most suitable hose for the job --- the connection to
the flex hose should be on bracket mounted close to the steering axis as it was on the Cortina.
Because they use olive fittings braided hoses are best left for competition use where are can be inspected regularly, on a road car the danger is some
one will regard them as "fit and forget" .
[Edited on 20/4/04 by britishtrident]
[Edited on 20/4/04 by britishtrident]
True. The main reason they are not "fit and forget" though is (according to the manufacturers) because at VERY high mileages (100,000+ in "normal" driving) the stainless braid can fatigue fracture, and the broken wire ends then "can" end up piercing the teflon inner.
quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
No reason not to use standard Cortina flexies they are more than long enough and by far the most suitable hose for the job ---
[Edited on 20/4/04 by britishtrident]
I think mine were Mk1 Granada but it was a long time since I bought them. They are screwed directly into the caliper and are long enough from lock to
lock
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php?action=showphoto&photo=brake_pipe.jpg
quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
I think mine were Mk1 Granada but it was a long time since I bought them. They are screwed directly into the caliper and are long enough from lock to lock
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php?action=showphoto&photo=brake_pipe.jpg
It hasn't leaked fluid in the years it's been on the car, it passed sva and doesnt need a washer to seal it so it must be more efficient than the recommended fitting. The threads reach the bottom of the caliper thread and it has the same taper on the end. It passes MOT every year as well. I am of the opinion that if something works and is up to the job it is the right part. Should we stop adapting stuff because it's not what it was made for, no more top ball joints or maxi joints then, or fitting zetecs to type 9 boxes or bike engines in cars. We might as well stop building if that's the way to think. What are you building by the way?
Mark, once you know what fittings you require on each end & you should know that from where you got your bits from, then you should be able to tell your brake people what they are & ask for a hose of X length as required, many cars share the same fittings but have different length hoses, its just a matter of teacking down the correct ones. I`ve done this on a Land Rover with a suspension lift no problem & my brake guys reckoned there were few they couldn`t place. HTH, Steve.
standard flexis to fit cortina / sierra also will fit rear axle are lucas/ girling PHC 144 approx £6.00 each from Partco or if braided Goodrich G0033 is a complete set for front hubs 7 rear axle avalible fron Burtonpower @ approx £31
Rally design do a complete set for a Mk5 Cortina for £18.50. They are braded stainless so should do the trick, can anyone see any reason why I get any problems with these?
You'll need to prove the end has a tube to go inside the PTFE pipe, same as I do. I'm just planning on buying a spare end to show the SVA
inspector.
Cheers
I'll give them a ring tomorrow, if they have the internal pipe, I will order a set and a spare end as you suggest
Thanks
Mark
No worries
Just to add to the "be careful around braided stainless" conversation.
My wife is a fluid power specialist and gives me no end of grief about "proper" hose selection for a given application.
She has a couple of beefs with braided teflon.
1) Careless assembly (or careful mis-assembly) is guaranteed to lead to grief with ends popping off.
2) Stainless braided teflon is designed for high temperature, moderate pressure and low flexure applications. The teflon liner has no intrinsic
strength (blows out like bubble gum if you get any splitting of outer stainless sheath), is not bonded to the wire and is not a multi-layer hose
(which provides a bit of redundancy in failure). Also, despite it's robust looks it is NOT abrasion resistant, any rubbing will result in
failure.
That said, I still use it, exercise caution and inspect regularly as British Trident suggested.
There are some new braided teflon hoses available with a tinted translucent polyurethane coating -- last I checked they weren't available as
small as -3 and -4 but when they do start making them that small (if they haven't already) they might be more suitable than the standard
stuff.
Cheers, Ted
quote:
Originally posted by Northy
You'll need to prove the end has a tube to go inside the PTFE pipe, same as I do. I'm just planning on buying a spare end to show the SVA inspector.
Cheers
Mark,
We got a very similar reply. But because I've already got there pipes, I've ordered an end anyway. If its any good (right) I'll let you
know and you could still order from them and even borrow the end for your SVA if you wanted.
Cheers
That would be ideal, when are you getting the spare end to check? I need to get the flexies asap, I am building so fast at the moment, I am nearly tripping over my self!
Mark it was ordered this afternoon, and they said it would be put in the post today. So hopefully should be here tomorrow. I'll post a picture
when I get it.
I just hope its right, I just decided to put them on the car and bleed the brakes at the weekend. 
Cheers
Northy,
Looking at the Avon bodywork, I am guessing you have M16's on Cortina uprights? Are you using the pre-pipe from the caliper or plumbing the
flexie straight in? Did you order RD1402's? Is Glen millar still missing?
Mark
Yeah, M16 calipers. Flexie straight in unless it fails SVA. They made them specially for me, I just told them the lengths I wanted (need 2 for rear
for IRS).
HTF is Glen Millar? 
Cheers
I still want to use the pre-pipe as it is on the pivot point and 'should' make the flexies less prone to fowling anything. I hope the ends are the same on yours as the vehicle sets they supply
Ah yes, another reason why I would have used the pre pipe bits. But I've put them straight in, and checked lock to lock and they don't touch
anywhere.
Have you got last years catalogue? Thats the only one I've got. I "think" I've ordered RD1501. The ends on my pipes look the same
as the ones pictured for the brake line kits. Perhaps they make them up? This is on page 35 of my catalogue (in the CCC mag).
PS, who's Glen Millar??????
Cheers
I am looking on the website, which is mainly blurry scans of the catalogue, all the kits seem to be RD14**, but I may be looking in the wrong
place.
Glen Millar was the first of a long and distinguished line of musicians who specialised in short careers in rapid decents in aeroplanes
You need to look for the re-useable Euroquip 600 hose fittings.
You've lost me totally with tthe whole Glen Millar thing. Explain?
Cheers
Mark
Try http://www.thinkauto.com
give them a ring,they are very helpfull
Glen Millar, the band leader, took his private plane out for a jolly into the english channel in about 1942 (real sensible move on his part!)
He never came back (now there is a surprise!), this shook the nation, and everyone was asking 'Is Glen Millar still missing?'
I asked about 4 questions in quick succession, and added the catchphrase to lighten the brevity!
Thanks for clearing that one up Mark, I'll ask a few guys at work tomorrow and see if they know
Will get back to you with a yay or nay.
Cheers
i saw him talking to Elvis the other day.. alive and well in my local Safeways
Mark
[Edited on 27/4/04 by 9904169]
Glen MillEr was a bandleader. WTF is Glen MillAr?
No mystery Miller was in an aircraft that took a short cut across an area of the english channel used as a bomb dumping ground. The Stinson he was flying in got hit by a bomb jettisoned by a british bomber aircraft flying at higher altitude. The british aircraft had been on a mission canceled because of bad weather.
quote:
Originally posted by 9904169
i saw him talking to Elvis the other day.. alive and well in my local Safeways
Mark
[Edited on 27/4/04 by 9904169]
quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
Glen MillEr was a bandleader. WTF is Glen MillAr?
Mark, pictures as promised.
They do have metal pipes, so just try ti ignore the fact that the f***wit on the end of the phone doesn't know what he's on about.
Rescued attachment Brake pipe end 1.jpg
And another one, a bit blurry though.........
Rescued attachment brake pipe end 2.jpg
They look ideal, I'll order a set tomorrow
Thanks for the help
Mark
No worries Mark,
Are you ordering a spare end? They're £2.40 each plus VAT. Or do you want to borrow mine?
Cheers
It would cost more in postage, but thanks for the offer, what part number was the spare?
Mark, the part number is: RD1501, but the treaded part is not as long as the ones on my brake pipes, but hopefully the SVA inspector will see sense
and see they are the same design fittings........
Cheers
Writing the order form now - thanks
Anytime Mark.
PS your cars looking really good and coming along very fast now
[Edited on 29/4/04 by Northy]
It's progressing so fast at the moment, my wallet is struggling to keep up!!