I like the 'GULF' coloured one in the gallery!!! What an amazing paintjob!
OOoh I want one!!!
Evening all,
Due to various car related issues I may have to sell the indy in the near-ish future. If I do end up selling her, I'll be looking at building
what I think is the lastest version of the MK GT1, now made by spires sports cars. Anyone know much about
it/them, as the website is a little sparse. Oh, and I'd be looking at a bird (again)/zx-12r or naybe busa powered jobbie. Also, any one know of
any similar alternatives?
Hmm seems to be pretty reasonable pricing
I like the 'GULF' coloured one in the gallery!!! What an amazing paintjob!
OOoh I want one!!!
im sure that gulf one belongs to someone on here, i am trying to convince myself gulf is the way to go for my car
The dark blue one belongs to a fella up here - (hello Keith :-) in fact it's actually an MK. Now running a ZZR1200.
Hope to see it in action tomorrow night.
Zil, let me/us know how it goes. I like the stlying (?) and would prefer them to go/hande etc like a big shiny fast good handling thing! I to like
the gulf colours and the spires looks quite cool in stealth black with red touches.
Hi,I was one of the first people to drive the GTR and helped out a little bit swopping the original Audi engine, and road testing when Martin was
rushing to get it ready for the Donnington show a couple of years ago.
I was also sat as passenger when it threw a rod on the trackday.
I drove the car at pretty high speeds for about 10 miles on the roads and it was very forgiving ,comfortable and handled very well,quite a bit better
than an Indy which I rate as very good if not perfect.
It handled and drove better than a lot of production sportscars I can think of.
If you fancy that style you could do a lot worse,I liked it!
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Originally posted by DIY Si
Zil, let me/us know how it goes. I like the stlying (?) and would prefer them to go/hande etc like a big shiny fast good handling thing!
DeanC, did you go in the Mk GT1, or the GT-R from spires, since they look, certainly chassis-wise, to be different cars. Also, I thought the GT1 was chain driven, whilst the GT-R appears to have a sierra diff and a short prop. Could be wrong though.
Ive been out in the gtr and I was really impressed, only thing I thought a bit odd is how the peddle box is offset,but this is not a criticism just a
different design, spire sports cars have finished and improved the gtr really well, it sticks like sh?t to a blanket, has more room inside and of
course engine at rear running a short sierra prop, theres plenty of room for what ever engine you choose, I nearly bought one but really wanted a
turbo on my indy and couldnt have both,
I cant remember the chaps name now but he will have a really good deal- alot better than advertised!
I have had my GT-R on the road for 3 months now and with a thousand miles on the clock I can safely say that it is a fantastic car to drive. Even
round town it is almost like driving a production car but open it up and tip it in to a corner you get loads of grip.
The pedals are ofset to the left from your driving position but after driving it for a while you dont even notice. There is so much space in the
engine compartment that you could fit virtually any engine with a change of mounting positions. I believe that spire sportscars have made a few minor
changes to the chassis design around the rear bulkhead and engine bay but the car is still very much the same as Martins initial design.
Cheers for that wheezy. Do you know of anyone in the midlands with one who'd be up for taking me out for a spin? Also, what's it like as a
car to build? When you say the engine bay is huge, would it for example fit a nice big V6 in it? With maybe space for a super charger?!
The original GT-R built by Martin at MK Engineering was fitted with an Audi engine from an Audi 80 I believe. The Westfield XTR 4 uses a turbo charged
Audi Quatro engine and has roughly the same amount of space in the engine bay. The only trouble is that you will need a gearbox with a trans axle to
fit the engine.
By the time you fit a large engine and a transaxle gearbox you are adding a lot of weight to the car so you may have more BHP but the performance will
probably be the same as a bike engine instalation.
If you are looking for a test drive give Paul a ring at Spire Sportscars and he should be able to sort you out.
Dave
He's already offered a go round Snetterton! Only thing is I'm busy. And busy for the next 5-6 weekends.
I dont know of any other GT-R's in your area. I think there is only about 7 completed cars on the road and out of those 2 or 3 are not road legal
(not SVA'd).
I guess you will have to wait a bit longer for a test drive.
Looks like I may be at Snettertom after all. Any one else going? Or specificaly anyone with a Gt-R/Gt1? Ie Wheezy?
Sorry but due to work commitments I wont be able to go. Getting any time off at the moment is a bit of a problem.
Wat a lovely lookin wee car! I am so tempted by one of these. Would it be much more expensive than an indy? How would the handling compare to, say a
LMP or radical? Cheers
GTR side
That paint job makes it imo
There's a price list here. Looking at <£5k for a rolling chassis if you shop around for some of the bits. That would also include the full body, but not painted. I also want mine to have the nice carbon wing! I think it adds to the racing feel of the car.
Yeah the carbon wing is the business! I think some of those nice lightweight hubs from MNR wud be a must and some image billet 15x10in wheels. Damn
it, i'd end up spending thousands
Hi did you really mention the mk gt and radical in the same sentence and compare handeling. I would sugest you do some research on the lap times of
jon isons car in the 750 rgb. And then look at the radical clubsport's that can be brought for 4.5k and then road registerd so say 6k on the
road.
cheers matt
Yea right!
Had a look around, a used Radical club sport will set you back closer to £10k. Can't find anything less than £9k.
Unless you have a source?
Procomp, wasnt suggesting the GTR was as good, just asking "How would the handling compare to, say a LMP or radical?" coz obviously its
half the price so wudnt expect it to
Wat are the essential features that make a car with the same engine so much faster? Rigidity? Cheers
Anyone know where I can find these lap times? Cant find 'em on the rgb site?
Also, does John not run a 'blade engine?
Jon has a Blackbird engine in his GT1. He's made some chassis alterations and put a different body on it since his last offroad excursion as
well. Can you point us towards the times and also towards some of the £4,500 Radicals as the cheapest I've seen is £16,500 and some more in
the region of £30,000 . edit:-
I'm not in the market for one so don't worry if you can't find one, I'd just like to see the difference between the top and the
lower price machines.
[Edited on 24/8/06 by Peteff]
HI lap times are on the 750 web site under racing . price of radicals well i guess that the guys that buy them do a few repairs and a bit of tlc and
then sell them for 8-10k are doing it for no profit then . St have a prosport less engine addmitaly for 8k now.
cheers matt
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Originally posted by procomp
Hi did you really mention the mk gt and radical in the same sentence and compare handeling. I would sugest you do some research on the lap times of jon isons car in the 750 rgb. And then look at the radical clubsport's that can be brought for 4.5k and then road registerd so say 6k on the road.
cheers matt
Here is a snippet, basically the rumor mill as Class A cars been moved into bikesports as if the truth be known there ain't many true class A
cars left, there out and out racers not "kits", again ready too be shot down.....
Contentious issue number two, and I really hope that Jonathan and Darcy will still speak to me! When viewed from the outside, the Radicals in
particular look out of place in RGB. This is the view of pretty much all of the 750MC committee, motorsport journalists, motorsport spectators and
pretty much anyone you speak to who is contemplating racing with RGB. Certainly much of this is down to perception, as the Radical is such a well
known and successful race car, but its brand identity is some way off the rest of the RGB grid. This bothers the 750MC enormously, and there is
significant recent evidence that shows how a formula (Roadsports) can be damaged when a disparity exists with a high budget front running car.
Before the airways are filled with protests I should stress this is a perception, albeit a powerful and strongly held one. We can talk about Martin’s
success at Cadwell in the wet etc till we are blue in the face, but the fact is that Jonathan running away and winning by 20-30 secs at Brands with
Marcus Pye watching from the media centre will have more than reinforced these perceptions, and it is this combined with the economic pressure that
has led to the current proposal.
So, for someone on a budget (me) the gt1/gtr is the best bet? Especially given that I won't be racing with it.
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Originally posted by DIY Si
So, for someone on a budget (me) the gt1/gtr is the best bet? Especially given that I won't be racing with it.
Hi so there you have it you can have a car that sort of looks like a race car that is suitable for a sunday afternoon drive that will only cost you
£-?. But put it on a track day and get left behind by a hole host of other kicars that have cost 4-8k including a genuine radical or even an
elise-mx5.
It's almost got the looks but it ain't got the handeling. Just needs the neon lights and the big crome exhaust and you can join the others
down the asda carpark on a saturday night.
cheers matt
Since you seem to know fair bit about racing these type of things, what would make it handle the way you'd expect? Different set up, different
chassis altogether or something else? Also, how would you say the Gt-R handles when compared with an Indy? As this is what I currently have and wish
to go to something better? And I already know you don't really like the indy.
Procomp hav u driven the GTR?
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Originally posted by procomp
But put it on a track day and get left behind by a hole host of other kicars that have cost 4-8k
Why is it some people think that by puttin
a kit car on the track it has to beet the rest
surely its the fun of bein out there that counts.
Who is this Procomp anyway sounds like he is on here to anoy us all!
Just a couple of points so people know where I'm coming from.........
This "Don't knock MK" thing that crops up ?
I'm afraid I will always stand there corner as without generosity way and beyond the call of duty from Martin, Phil and Bazz there is know way I
would ever have ventured onto a race track.
RGB class A ? I cant think of one car in there that's a "kit" that punters can buy, well you can buy them I suppose but there not the
"kit" you buy too run on the road but the "race developed" derivative chassis cost 3 times the kit price, brakes, suspension
etc...... The big debate at the moment is too scrap class A and just run the fire blade class C as in 750mc's own words.. " class A is full
of race cars made road legal" rather than "road cars modded too race" They want too put class A cars into bikesports, wings slicks etc
which is where maybe cars like the radical belong anyway ?
Sour grapes, maybe I dunno, you decide but its a bit disheartening sometimes when it rains and you've only one set of tyres and whilst your
cooking on your disposable BBQ you can see the lap tops out plugged into cars, only thing I plug in is jump leads......
The GT1 was never a race car, but IMHO a nice looking kit, I just decided too race one with huge help from the people mentioned above.
Knockers please remember, without racers like myself there would be no racing.
[Edited on 25/8/06 by Jon Ison]
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
http://www.procomp.co.uk/
So, apart from procomp, most deem the car, as with most kits, to be perfectly acceptable for general/fast road/odd track day use? Remebering it only costs £6-7k(ish) to be on the road.
There is also a review of the Spire GT-R on the Total kitcar website from a few months ago.
LINK
He seems to like it as well.
Since i'm looking more and more at this, anyone know of a smallish (size wise, not nessecarily cc wise) v8 that might fit? Any other engines that
might do nicely? Im thinking audi/vw 1.8T (tuned to 200+bhp), zx 12R, zzr1400, or Duratec (or similar) V6. Suggestions and comments please gent and
ladies.
[Edited on 7/9/06 by DIY Si]
Whilst I'd love to have uch a mental level of power, I have to run all this pass the boss. Also, how much would the engine and box weigh? It
might be a fair squeeze in the boot! I also love having a 11k+ rpm limit, so am probably looking at zx12 or if I can find/steal one zzr1400, since a
mate of mine is starting work in the industry so parts might have just gotten cheaper!
has anyone got any build pics of the gtr???chassis,engine position etc.....