ditchlewis
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 04:04 PM |
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Good day bad day Advice needed
It's a beautiful day s i went out for a drive
i noticed that my suspension is soft and i bottomed out the rear suspension
well that was ok carried on with the drive, about a mle from home there was a big bump and a cloud of dust from the front .
checked the oil pressure and all ok, hurried home and checked under the car.... oil flowing out the bottom of the
sump
well the car needed an oil change 
what do i do?
1. weld up the sump in situe?
2. remove sump and weld?
3. buy new sump?
i will have to design a sump guard and raise the engine (put spacers under the engine mounting rubbers).
your advice required
Ditch
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 04:08 PM |
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I done this with my cortina after a big jump over a bridge.
I welded it up with a plate of metal, sump still on the car and then used engine flush to clean out the inside, no problems after
oh on my falcon which has a habit of striking the ground I welded a 5mm plate to the bottom of the sump, though took it off for that one. After that I
never put anything more than a shallow grove in it.
[Edited on 10/2/08 by Mr Whippy]
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 04:41 PM |
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i'm just off out to the garage to see if the tray i put under the sump is full yet.
i know the engine is low as there are 2" between the nose cone and the cam belt, where others with the pinto have only a couple of
millimetres.
so i have to raise the engine, if i take the sump off i could weld on a plate
should a sump guard be separate to allow some deforation with out damaging the engine?
ditch
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piddy
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 04:55 PM |
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Are you running a standard sump?
If yes then make a shortened one.
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 05:03 PM |
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just been out to the garage to look at the damage
the front of the sump is V'd but the welds are ok with no oil leaking
the leaks are at the back where there is no damage
strangley this is where there was always a leak ( i bought it from MK), i think that this has opened up a weld at the back. i realy need to jack the
car up to have a proper crawl under, but i'm much more up beat about it a learning experience
can i get away with a sacrificial steel plate on the sump or is it better to have a separate structure.
ditch
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 05:04 PM |
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na just weld a plate to the sump. The engine will lift on the mounts if it hits and I've clobbered the ground hard and never saw any damage
after the plate was fitted.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 05:13 PM |
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did you plate the whole sump of just the front of it?
i just happen to have some 5mm plate in the garage and i did not realy want to make a full structure and weld it onto my nice powder
coated chassis
ditch
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Guinness
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 07:37 PM |
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Ditch, I know one lad who killed his x-flow engine by landing from a yump onto his sump. It pushed the sump onto the pickup pipe, no oil pressure, no
bearings
Once he'd changed to a Zetec (any excuse) he fitted a pair of timber skids to the inner chassis rails, about 1" x 1" and the length
of the engine bay. That way if he landed the car again the skids would take the force rather than the sump / reinforced sump.
HTH
Mike
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DarrenW
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 08:25 PM |
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Ive landed hardish on my sump before with no ill effects. Nice spark show behind. Base of sump is 3mm steel and angled up at the front to for a kind
of skid pan effect.
Ive since slotted engine brackets a bit to lift engine and also lifted suspension by an inch or so - been Ok since.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 08:31 PM |
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this is the plate I have welded onto the falcons sump, it's taken some very hard knocks with little to show for it. Pity ford never fitted them
as standard...
looks like some paint is in order down there
ahh and I have just discovered where the missing axle stand went...
[Edited on 10/2/08 by Mr Whippy]
 
Rescued attachment sump plate.JPG
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 09:06 AM |
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Many thanks lads.
i've decided to take the sump off and check the oil pick up pipe and straighten up the sump.
i will then weld on some plate, lift the engine a bit.
i may also look at guards on the rails if i can lift the engine far enough. all belt and braces i know but if it saves this happening again then all
the better
i always know the sump was low, and it was on a down hill section of bumpy road that this happened
prehaps i should drive slower NAH
ditch
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DarrenW
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 09:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ditchlewis
i always know the sump was low, and it was on a down hill section of bumpy road that this happened
prehaps i should drive slower NAH
ditch
Same here. I was on old Roman road after an adrenalin filled blat with Guinness and the other ne7ers nutters. On way home on my own, road straight as
a die but low sun and dips meant i didnt see a double 'hump'. Spark show was impressive....... twice! Damage to sump - hardly visible. I
was so amazed, as it got darker and darker and there were no cars about (and minimal mobile phone coverage) i was certain at any moment the oil
pressure would drop.
I found raising suspension an inch and stiffening shocks up a touch on the front has helped a lot.
Deepest part of sump is just below the line of the bell housing.
[Edited on 11/2/08 by DarrenW]
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 09:57 AM |
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i was glad the oil pressure held but i must have lost a couple of litres of oil in the mile drive home.
my sump sits an inch or two below the bell housing too.
the shocks are protec and are only on 5 clicks from softest, this gives a soft ride on the lanes but also sump crunching abilit when it is
bumpy
a bit of ride height adjustment and stiffening is also on the way.
you were not up in Northumberland on the old military road adjacent to hadrians wall when it happened were you?
i used to live up that way and my parents still do. a long fast road but those dips are all scarred by car sumps
i would like to take the 7 up there some time and enjoy the roads.
Ditch
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DarrenW
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 10:17 AM |
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Yeah it was up Northumberland. Cant remember what road exactly but not far from the A68, maybe 20 miles or so up from hexham. I dont think it was far
up as the wall but the road sure was scarred.
Sump is only a few mm lower than bell housing. its extended forward right to the front with a bit of a ramp up over the last 3 or 4 inches. Oil pick
up didnt need to be shortened by too much.
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piddy
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 04:41 PM |
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Hello again.
I think your running a pinto if so take a look at this.link
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 07:17 PM |
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Have a look in the for sale section, there is a lowered pinto sump and close to you.
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sebastiaan
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 07:48 PM |
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Just can't help but wonder what would've happened to one of these moped type engines that so many seem to fit to these cars nowadays. So
far this week we've had a pinto and an X-flow dumping considerable amounts of oil and living to tell the tale. ;-)
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 09:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
this is the plate I have welded onto the falcons sump,
That's one way to lower the center of gravity
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 12/2/08 at 10:51 AM |
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thanks piddy, i am running a shortened sump, like yours.
wish i had had the skill you have and done it myself.
i bought one from MK when i bought the kit. i think that it always leaked a bit, a drop or two a day which i ignored
the front of the sump took the blow and bent, the back is where there is a big leak, the welds must have opened up
the problem i have is, the engine mounts sit the engine, even with the shortened sump, about 70mm off the road
and thats after i rased the front suspension by 35mm
so the tasks are remove the sump, check the oil pick up. bash out the dent. fill the sump with water and find all the leaks. weld up the leaks. fit 3
to 5mm plate to the bottom to provide improved bump protection ( and lower the centre of gravity).
raise the front suspension, and try and alter the engine mounts to gain extra height under the car. Ohhh nearly forgot set the shocks to a stiffer
setting
sebastiaan i agree how much oil does a BEC hold not enough to get you home i think
having said that my BMW only holds 3 or 4 litres
anyone got any advice on how to protect the engines innards while i have the sump off???
ditch
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2b_pablo
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| posted on 12/2/08 at 10:58 AM |
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is there much difference in height in an RS2000 alloy sump and a shortened pinto sump?
since ropping to 13s my car is on the tiles!
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if it aint broke... pull it off and upgrade it!
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 12/2/08 at 11:19 AM |
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i would have thought the only difference is in strenght
i would have thought that steel is much tougher than alloy but i stand to be corrected
i can recommend that some form of protection is used as it really spoils your fun when the sump splits
ditch
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2b_pablo
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| posted on 12/2/08 at 11:25 AM |
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yeah Im tempted to swap to a steel sump. I can get it properly baffled etc then too 
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if it aint broke... pull it off and upgrade it!
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sebastiaan
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| posted on 14/2/08 at 06:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ditchlewis
anyone got any advice on how to protect the engines innards while i have the sump off???
ditch
Don't turn the car upside down? ;-)
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DarrenW
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| posted on 15/2/08 at 09:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sebastiaan
quote:
Originally posted by ditchlewis
anyone got any advice on how to protect the engines innards while i have the sump off???
ditch
Don't turn the car upside down? ;-)
Good answer
Engine should be fine for a short while as long car is in a dry ish garage.
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