Slater
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 10:35 AM |
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Pre-95 engine, cat at MOT or not?
Hello
I belive if you fit a pre-95 engine then it means you do not need a catalytic converter at MOT time. My local village garage seems to think otherwise.
Can anybody clear this up and let me know where to obtain written proof so I can show my man at the garage?
I intend to fit a pre-95 1.8 zetec into a MAC#1 (I am not sure of the exact age of the engine though).
Cheers
Keith.
Why do they call Port Harcourt "The Garden City"?...... Becauase they can't spell Stramash.
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macdave69
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 10:42 AM |
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Not unless the vehicle was listed as having the Cat as standard, in which case you need one. My recollection is the zetec was listed and therefore
requires one.
That of course is my interpretation of the SVA book, which is almost total gibberish
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02GF74
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 10:49 AM |
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we are talking about fitting this to your kit?
at SVA it will be tested as below and registration document will list emissions standard under which all subsequent MOTs are to be tested under, so
my understanding is no CAT for you.
 
SVA emission
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JAG
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 10:51 AM |
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If you take your car for SVA/DVLA inspection and you come away with a Q plate then you won't need the cat' EVER.
My MX5 engine was June 1994 but was fitted with a cat' when built. The car has a Q plate and NEVER gets a test for emmissions. Not even a
'visual smoke' assessment last time 
If you get an 'age related' plate it will depend upon the emmission reg's in force at the time specified by the 'age
related' number plate.
..... and if you get a new No then you're f@#ked without a cat' but you won't get a new number with a pre-'95 engine
anyway.
[Edited on 21/9/07 by JAG]
Justin
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Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
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02GF74
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 10:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JAG
If you get an 'age related' plate it will depend upon the emmission reg's in force at the time specified by the 'age
related' number plate.
I think I disagree.
Emissions are related to age of engine - which is why SVA want proof of age.
Age related plate would be related to donor.
Engine does not need to come from donor.
[Edited on 21/9/07 by 02GF74]
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Slater
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 12:20 PM |
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The guy at the garage showed me a book (might have been the emmisions publication) in which the Zetec 1.8 Escort was listed and it seemed to state
that as that model had a CAT then I will need one too.
I'll call the guys at MAC#1 as I ordered a pre-95 engine so I could avoid the CAT.
Why do they call Port Harcourt "The Garden City"?...... Becauase they can't spell Stramash.
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robinj66
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 12:44 PM |
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But you should respond that your car is NOT a "Zetec 1.8 Escort " but is instead a Mac#1 fitted with a Zetec. The two are different
[Edited on 21/9/07 by robinj66]
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iank
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 12:46 PM |
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But you won't be presenting an Escort, you will be presenting Mac#1 which isn't in the book (the V5 will give the model name).
SVA won't require a Cat, nor should MOT. Though it does sound like you might need to avoid that particular station unless you want an
argument.
Edit: Bugger not fast enough
[Edited on 21/9/07 by iank]
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 01:49 PM |
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Just to throw a spanner in the works, i understood that it was a pre 94 engine you dont need a cat for 
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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iank
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 01:52 PM |
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31st July 95 is the cut off in the SVA manual
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Slater
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 03:11 PM |
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I just got some good advice, see if you can guess who it's from.................
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On the cat front, you will be fine and tell the garage guy his head is up his arse.....
From the top, you have an engine of a known age that is PRE 1995 therefore in the eyes of V.O.S.A who will conduct your SVA, they will agree that you
DONT need to undertake a CAT test (ok that clear and not in dispute)
So once the car is SVA'd it will be registered in the system as a PRE NON CAT test emissions engine NOT requiring a CAT
And once the the vehicle is reg'd by DVLA they WILL issue a registration document showing the emission requirement of the vehicle, the V5 will
state the limits, and whether a CAT test is required.
SO when you present your Mac#1 fitted with a PRE 1995 engine NOT an escort/mondeo, the garage/MOT station WILL HAVE to adhere to the emission limits
stated on your V5 in black & white and CANNOT argue
if they do promptly ask for a V17 appeal form and report the matter to VOSA at Aberdeen who will kick their arse for being idiots.
Above is not an opinion but fact.
Regards
Unquote.
Thanks for this!
Why do they call Port Harcourt "The Garden City"?...... Becauase they can't spell Stramash.
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iank
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 03:22 PM |
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Tone seems familiar 
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BenB
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 06:23 PM |
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What I don't understand is that my V5 shows a Q plate but states emission thresholds.....
Flipping useless DVLA....
I think I'll have a fight on my hands come MOT time....
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bigrich
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 09:40 PM |
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glad you have mister x( hope your keeping well Mark) as your mate
and he is right about the emmisions. ps dont worry about the MOT it wont concern you for 3 years after SVA anyway
Rich
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 09:57 PM |
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Who the hell gave you that advice Keith????? Someone local???
He seems to know the rules though I'd agree with what the others are saying
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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zetec
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 10:15 PM |
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Even better if it has an age related plate which is "S" pre 1998 then smoke test only regardless of what engine is fitted....
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