gahgah
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| posted on 25/3/07 at 08:09 PM |
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brazen(?) pinto sump mod
I have read all the heplful hints/tips on the pinto sump mod.
I have an arc welder and in years gone by winged a few MOTs with holes blown in sills covered up with Isopon and underseal but my brazing is much
better.
What do people think of brazing the sump rather than welding it?
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jacko
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| posted on 25/3/07 at 08:16 PM |
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Hi that will be ok but screw the sump down to stop it warping i mig them but always screw them down . only cut 40mm of the bottom or you will have
trouble with the pick up pipe
Jacko
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blakep82
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| posted on 25/3/07 at 08:21 PM |
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don't arc weld! the sump is far too thin IMO. Mig if you can. the rest what he said^
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gazza285
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| posted on 25/3/07 at 08:29 PM |
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No problem brazing it at all.
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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blakep82
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| posted on 25/3/07 at 08:32 PM |
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as long as its fairly strong (its not likely to be pulled around, just vibrations i guess) and oil tight i guess its all good.
how are you brazing? i guess with a gas torch?
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stevebubs
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| posted on 25/3/07 at 09:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gahgah
What do people think of brazing the sump rather than welding it?
Brazed my zetec sump....2 years on and it's still fine...
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stevebubs
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| posted on 25/3/07 at 09:04 PM |
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Ditto on the "bolt it down" method. I didn't then had to bend it back into shape with clamps.
BTW My brazing is not pretty....
[Edited on 25/3/07 by stevebubs]
 
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PeterW
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| posted on 25/3/07 at 10:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jacko
Hi that will be ok but screw the sump down to stop it warping i mig them but always screw them down . only cut 40mm of the bottom or you will have
trouble with the pick up pipe
Jacko
Why...??
Are you saying that if you **only** cut 40mm off you don't have to shorten the pickup, or if you cut off more than 40mm then the pickup has to
be shortened at the curve or something equally as difficult...?
Cheers
Pete
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viatron
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| posted on 26/3/07 at 07:09 AM |
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Would have thought brazing was actually a better method than mig, it flows and should give you a better chance of a leak free job.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 26/3/07 at 07:18 AM |
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ditto viatron, as long as you can do it with it bolted to an engine block or strong worktop offcut etc to control distortion, brazing is actually the
best way to do it, as strong if not stronger than a migged one.
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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DarrenW
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| posted on 26/3/07 at 09:40 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by PeterW
quote:
Originally posted by jacko
Hi that will be ok but screw the sump down to stop it warping i mig them but always screw them down . only cut 40mm of the bottom or you will have
trouble with the pick up pipe
Jacko
Why...??
Are you saying that if you **only** cut 40mm off you don't have to shorten the pickup, or if you cut off more than 40mm then the pickup has to
be shortened at the curve or something equally as difficult...?
Cheers
Pete
shortening too much causes problem with the curve on the pick up. I shortened mine till the sump was just a touch lower than the bell housing and just
got away with it. The thought here was do i take out the sump or the gearbox if worse is to happen???
I also used 3mm steel on the base plate and angled it up at the front to act as a bit of a skid plate (also helps to keep oil back near pickup a bit).
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jacko
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| posted on 26/3/07 at 05:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
quote:
Originally posted by PeterW
quote:
Originally posted by jacko
Hi that will be ok but screw the sump down to stop it warping i mig them but always screw them down . only cut 40mm of the bottom or you will have
trouble with the pick up pipe
Jacko
Why...??
Are you saying that if you **only** cut 40mm off you don't have to shorten the pickup, or if you cut off more than 40mm then the pickup has to
be shortened at the curve or something equally as difficult...?
Cheers
Pete
shortening too much causes problem with the curve on the pick up. I shortened mine till the sump was just a touch lower than the bell housing and just
got away with it. The thought here was do i take out the sump or the gearbox if worse is to happen???
I also used 3mm steel on the base plate and angled it up at the front to act as a bit of a skid plate (also helps to keep oil back near pickup a bit).
Hi Darren is spot on 
Jacko
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stevebubs
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| posted on 26/3/07 at 06:17 PM |
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I shortened the pickup....
 
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gahgah
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| posted on 26/3/07 at 09:34 PM |
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Thanks everybody - brazing it is - screw down the sump - no more than 40mm off!
I feel very confident! 
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stevebubs
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| posted on 27/3/07 at 07:52 PM |
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If it helps, I think most shortened zetec sumps are about 160mm deep
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