paul v6
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| posted on 17/10/05 at 08:48 AM |
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Pug Mi 16 to what gearbox??
The Mi 16 engine seems the pefect option for a locost, very light, 160bhp standard and seem to be quite a few about.
Maybe even the 205 1.9 gti would be even better, there were millions of these about not so long ago and they went like stink!! Trouble is as with most
engines to be honest I have no idea what if any gearbox is sutable and easily mated??
Any ideas??
Paul
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James
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| posted on 17/10/05 at 09:33 AM |
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No use on the gearbox but here's an interesting article about tuning it:
http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/pug16v.htm
Cheers,
James
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nick205
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| posted on 17/10/05 at 10:24 AM |
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Paul,
Have a search on here, it's been discussed a time or two before. Being a pug fan I wanted to use the Mi16 engine too.
As far as I found out there was a company making bellhousing adapters for Ford Type 9 boxes, but I couldn't find them - maybe ceased trading or
changed names.
It is also said that LDV vans used PUG diesel engines in RWD configuration and that the gearbox may fit an MI16 - again I was unable to confirm
this.
I have seen a photo of an Mi16 7-style car, but couldn't find anymore details on it.
Assuming you can find/make a suitable gearbox/adapter you still are left with the fact that the engine is quite tall. This is why PUG always mounted
them leaning backwards by ~30 degrees. If you maintained this angle in a locost type engine bay the exhaust manifold would be right where the
steering column would normally go.
In the end, I decided to use the Pinto engine and gearbox that came free with my donor. Mainly due to simplicity, speed (of build) and cost. and
That said I still think it's a spot on engine for the job. As you say, it's light and already well tuned, with good potential for
increased power. The 8v 1.9 is also very plentiful too.
Cheers
Nick
[Edited on 17/10/05 by nick205]
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Browser
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| posted on 17/10/05 at 11:31 AM |
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It was always my intention to fit one of these but I couldn't find a suitable bellhousing. Flowtech racing used to make them for the 8 valve
(same bolt pattern) but ceased trading several years ago.
The LDV Pilot van fitted with the 1.9 Peugeot diesel engine is, as stated, rear wheel drive an d the lump has the same bolt pattern but I could never
find a commercial vehicle breakers who (a) had one or (b) understood what the chuff I was on about Also, as mentioned, the engine is as standard
installed with a 30 deg lean backwards which has to be maintained unless you are going to modify the sump & oil pickup pipe (which is cast ali I
think, so more of a pain to cut 'n shut). Plus, no-one could tell me whether the oil would still drain OK with the motor upright.
I went for a Zetec in the end as there are far more of them about and far more tuning bits too.
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nick205
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| posted on 17/10/05 at 11:46 AM |
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Flowtech! that's the people 
As you say Browser, the intention is a good one, but the practise is not so easy.
Everytime the question comes up on here the result seems to be a reversion to tried and tested engine/gearbox combos.
Shame
What about a middy though  that could work well!
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pbs
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| posted on 17/10/05 at 12:24 PM |
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The engine is very big for a two litre. I had the head of my Gti6, which is the same basic engine as the Mi16 and it was sat on the bench beside a Vx
Xe head and couldnt belive how much bigger it was. Plus the fact that the engine would need to sit at an angle and the postion of the engine mounts
would make it a difficult engine to use in a Locost. Would be an ideal engine to use in a mid engined car.
Build your own sports car for £250 my ar5e!!
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paul v6
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| posted on 17/10/05 at 12:38 PM |
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If I remember correctly my dads old (H)Granada turbo diesel had a 2.5 turbo lump from peugoet?? This may make it easier but still doesnt get around
the height issues
Paul
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UncleFista
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| posted on 17/10/05 at 05:21 PM |
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Supposedly [1] you can fit the 1.9 Pug/Cit diesel engine to a Rover V8 manual 'box, using a LDV Pilot van bellhousing.
If they're the same bolt pattern as the Mi16 (would make sense) then maybe it's possible to use that combo ?
[1] Was once posted here, a looong time ago.
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 17/10/05 at 05:39 PM |
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Sierra 2.3 diesels had a Peugeot lump and I think a type 9 box If you can find one the bell housing may be what you want.
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svinto
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| posted on 17/10/05 at 06:40 PM |
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The PRV-V6 in Volvo 260, 760 and 780's was a joint effort with Peugot, Renault and Volvo. The bolt-pattern might be similar...
(BTW The same engine was used in Delorean  )
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zzrpowerd-locost
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| posted on 17/10/05 at 08:09 PM |
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an mi16 engine was on ebay today with 13mins left at 200 quid 
didnt see how much it went for thou, can remember a time when these went for well over £1000
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locost_bryan
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| posted on 18/10/05 at 03:27 AM |
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Is it the same block/bolt pattern as used in the old rwd 505?
Bryan Miller
Auckland NZ
Bruce McLaren - "Where's my F1 car?"
John Cooper - "In that rack of tubes, son"
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 18/10/05 at 05:46 PM |
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Didn't the old 505 have only 4 bolts holding the engine to the gearbox?
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Stu16v
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| posted on 18/10/05 at 05:52 PM |
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Yup , and they are basically the same as a Sierra 2.3D...
Dont just build it.....make it!
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NS Dev
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| posted on 19/10/05 at 11:28 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zzrpowerd-locost
an mi16 engine was on ebay today with 13mins left at 200 quid
didnt see how much it went for thou, can remember a time when these went for well over £1000
a mate of mine has bought 3 of these engines for £400 the lot, incl the citroen that contained one of them!
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mrlynx
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| posted on 12/11/05 at 10:00 PM |
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I am building with a XU9J4 from a Citroen BX gti 16V which is the same as a pug mi16 engine.
I have milled down the BX gearbox to 130 mm to form a bellhousing and mate it with a ford T9 gearbox.
Whats left is to build a 25 mm distance between the gearbox and bellhousing.
 
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awinter
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| posted on 14/11/05 at 09:17 AM |
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Hi, the alloy 1905cc MI16 engine is in no way related to the GTi6 engine they are very different. The later 1998 cast iron block has the same head as
the alloy block but the gti 6 engine is different again. There is a company called Shenpar in the midlands who have done some work on rear drive pug
engined cars, may be worth giving them a bell.
As already said the 1905 cc alloy engine gives the best power output and is light. Quite tall though and the angle is impotant to get the oil back to
the sump. The 1.9 8v steel oil pan fits these engines. These engine do suffer with oil surge on long lefthand corners. Any engines you buy are worth
getting the big end bearing replaced apart from that they are strong engines and with rev to 7500rpm in stock form. Stick a set of dellorto DHLA
45's on and a maniflow manifold and when set up properly gives you about 190bhp at 7000rpm ish.
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