richwill
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webers or injection
please help a new boy.i am building a pinto powered luego velocity and dont know whether to keep existing injection set up or go for weber carbs.If i
keep injection i will need to source the wiring loom for engine.i have ecu but wiring was trashed when stripping donor.all suggestions greatly
received and an indication of cost might help.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 03:03 PM |
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Neither - go for bike carbs
Cheers
Mark
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DarrenW
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 03:44 PM |
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Ditto Mark. Im using 38DGAS with my originally injected pinto. Head works very well with mods as it flows better than non-injection to start with.
When im in a position to take the carb off ill probs go for bike carbs with EDIS4 and megajolt (&TPS for 3D mapping).
Other choice is using bike throttle bodies and megasquirt.
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barrie sharp
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 03:51 PM |
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where abouts in Exeter are you ?
I work just off the topsham road and drive in from okehampton in my car in at least once a week .
the cars looking good" a blind man would be pleased to see it"
''stop press'' the blind mans seen it said "it felt ok"
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 04:12 PM |
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Yip!
 
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donut
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 04:50 PM |
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ditto
ZX9R carbs on a 2 litre Zetec for me!
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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Stuart Ainslie
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 05:22 PM |
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Bike carbs...
2.0XE with CBR1100 Blackbird carbs...
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big_wasa
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 06:50 PM |
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yip R1 carbs on zetec...
See avatar
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colibriman
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 07:07 PM |
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naaaaaa....sell the pinto and buy a bike engine....
need a bike engine? - www.colibriman.com
SVA ready Mk Indyblade possibly for sale.....if the offers good...!
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 08:08 PM |
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Sell the pinto drop in a 2 litre Zetec and use Griffin power systems aftermarket injection 900 quid buys you everything you need to get the zeetec
running at 160 brake and from one of the most helpful guys in the kit business.
http://www.griffinpower.co.uk
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!! 
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 09:21 PM |
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ultimate power or an easy life?
for power, go for the twin 45's or the bike carbs
for an easy life and a blacker bank balance, go for the injection.
I went for the latter, instant starting, ticks over at 875rpm all the time, mods cost about £25.00 - still makes your eyes hurt on full chat
 
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If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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timnuttuk
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 09:38 PM |
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What do bike carbs give you over Webers or Dellortos? I have twin Dellorto 40s on my 2.0l pinto - bought them second hand on ebay as money was
tight...
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 11:31 PM |
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If they are both set up right ,there shouldn't be much difference.
But many people report flat spots in they're weber/dellorto setups.
Also as the bike carbs used are constant velocity with a vacuum controlled piston, you effectively have a carb that changes size as you go up the rev
range ,so at small openings you get the flexibility and torque of small carbs ,and then when wide open you have the top end power of a carb larger
than the usual webers/dellortos, typically 38 - 42mm bore.........
My own will tickover at about 500 rpm , and if you try hard you can pull away in 4th gear , and then accellerate seamlessly to the rev
limit.........
They can also be bought for £35 - £100.......
[Edited on 6/9/05 by Surrey Dave]
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stevebubs
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 03:45 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BKLOCO
Sell the pinto drop in a 2 litre Zetec and use Griffin power systems aftermarket injection 900 quid buys you everything you need to get the zeetec
running at 160 brake and from one of the most helpful guys in the kit business.
http://www.griffinpower.co.uk
Looks suspiciously like the same kit Trust Eletrical sell
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 04:35 AM |
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quote:Originally posted by BKLOCO
Sell the pinto drop in a 2 litre Zetec and use Griffin power systems aftermarket injection 900 quid buys you everything you need to get the zeetec
running at 160 brake and from one of the most helpful guys in the kit business.
http://www.griffinpower.co.uk
Looks suspiciously like the same kit Trust Eletrical sell
It is Griffin makes them for Trust!!!!
Only he sells them £100 cheaper!!!! 
Edit
Actually I don't think he does make them but was the system designer.
[Edited on 7-9-05 by BKLOCO]
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!!
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JonBowden
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 08:12 AM |
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quote:
Also as the bike carbs used are constant velocity with a vacuum controlled piston, you effectively have a carb that changes size as you go up the rev
range
Does that mean they are like SUs ? if so why not use SUs - they are simple to work on
Jon
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 09:58 AM |
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Yes they are like SU's but even more like Stromberg's as they too had a rubber diaphram(spelling!!)
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JonBowden
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 11:13 AM |
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Do bike carbs use the same (as SU) needle system for regulating the mixture?
What is the process for 'mapping' the mixture on these carbs?
Jon
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richwill
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 03:29 PM |
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thanks for all the help. now i am unsure what to do. i need to keep to a budget(two young kids and expensive wife)
can anyone suggest a source for the wiring loom for injection?
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jacko
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 07:45 PM |
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SU'S
Hi i have su's fitted to my pinto 2.1 there of 2 metros 1300cc have a look at my photo archive
jacko
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JonBowden
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| posted on 8/9/05 at 07:47 AM |
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jacko,
Nice installation. What was your reason for using SUs and how did you get them set-up.
Did you just buy off the shelf needles that you were told would do or did you machine existing ones.
Do they work well ?
Jon
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