Dick Axtell
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 10:12 AM |
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Westfield Zorst 2 Zetec Foul Prob
Hello LCB-ers, here we are again! Still got this prob of the 4-branch exhaust fouling the starter motor.
Have now managed to re-set photo resolution, and upload a couple, to show problem more clearly.
So her is a shot of my starter motor :-
 
T9_Starter
And this is how it fouls the starter solenoid :-
 
Zorst2Sol_Foul
Here's another view for clarification :-
 
Sol_Foul
Seems that I'll have to find an alternative starter motor, with smaller solenoid. Anyone know which part no. or suitable source for a starter to
fit the T9 g/box?
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Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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nick205
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 10:35 AM |
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Personally if your starter works OK I'd be tempted to adjust the offending manifold tube with a hammer to increase clearance a bit.
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benchmark51
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 10:46 AM |
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I would leave the starter alone too. I would rework the manifold. Probably extend the primaries an inch or two.
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kingster996
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 10:54 AM |
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Use a different starter - mine does not foul.
I think mine is like this one FORD ESCORT MK2 1.1 1.3 1.6 CROSSFLOW BRAND NEW 1.4Kw UPGRADE STARTER MOTOR
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 11:05 AM |
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Is it possible to disassemble the starter and reassemble it with its mounting flange/body at a different angle? Perhaps even minor modification to the
flange?
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ianm67
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 11:58 AM |
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I used an LRS707 starter on my build. It has a short body but locates the solenoid closer to the bellhousing. There are some pictures of it in situ on
the following thread:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=198534
HTH,
IanM
Always biting off more than I can chew.....
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Matt159888
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 12:33 PM |
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i would hammer the header pipe. Slight indent and will clear. looks only needs a little tweek. Hoe gas monkey garage do it!
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metel matt
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 12:56 PM |
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I watched a test on facebook some time last week with the myth of denting your manifold and you will lose HP. They had a v8 engine on as dyno and
took a base reading then slowly put some dents on the header to see if an HP drop. They ended up beating the hell out of it with no change at
all.
so for yours I don't think one dent will do any harm
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Matt159888
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 01:04 PM |
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Be the way I'd fix it I think so close not much of a tweek needed :-)
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Dick Axtell
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 01:07 PM |
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Thank you everybody for your replies. I'll opt not to use the "Birmingham Screwdriver" (aka - lump hammer '' ).
Kingster996 and ianm67, your comments and advice noted. The LRS 707 starter has a significantly shorter solenoid, which would definitely provide one
solution.
Since I have another starter, (but one with solenoid mounted under the starter body), is there any reason why I shouldn't simply fit this
shorter solenoid on to my existing starter?
Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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HowardB
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 02:30 PM |
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Either modified primaries or alternative starter, in either case I would get one of those little heat shield this for it. Give it a fighting chance
at not being cooked
Howard
Fisher Fury was 2000 Zetec - now a 1600 (it Lives again  and goes zoom)
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mackei23b
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 03:49 PM |
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Couple of pics here: http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?491969-Westfield-2L-Zetec-D
Seems to have the smaller solenoid as well.....
Cheers
Ian
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perksy
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 08:07 PM |
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I'd be looking at a different starter
If the starter is too near (even after denting the nearest primary) you will need a heat proof jacket on it to reduce the chance of hot start issues
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Dick Axtell
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| posted on 5/2/16 at 08:54 PM |
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All your comments are appreciated. I labelled this thread "Westfield Exhaust", because that's what it was originally fitted to -
with a Zetec silvertop engine.
So do Westfields have any similar problems with their starters? kingster996 posted a pic which showed clearance between this exhaust and his starter.
Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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kingster996
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| posted on 6/2/16 at 08:44 AM |
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As far as I know, everyone uses the starter with a shorter solenoid which would appear to be the Lucas LR707, never heard of any clearance issues
before. Zetec with factory headers is a pretty common setup.
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure
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kingster996
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| posted on 6/2/16 at 08:52 AM |
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Here you go, found a thread by the guy I got the engine off (and hence the starter), go to bottom for a pic and info on where to get one.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=184714
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure
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Dick Axtell
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| posted on 6/2/16 at 10:30 AM |
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Kingster, thanks for that thread link. The pic at the end depicts my problem exactly. Plus, the preceding discussion re overheated starters is also
very relevant.
Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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