DOEHEAD2
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 posted on 19/8/04 at 08:46 AM |
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fitting 2.8 v6 into locost
is it possible to fit a 2.8 v6 ford engine into a locost book chasis and if so can i use standard type 9 gearbox?
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ewanspence
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 08:49 AM |
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yes, I have done it
I have fitted one along wtih the 4x4 system from the Sierra. I know of another 2, Stephen_gutterson ( site http://www.locostbuilder.co.uk is using 2.4
v6 but the same size but a slightly !! modified chassis) and wurlyvalve 2.8 highly tuned beast.
See some pics on my site, there is a link to wurly's site there too. Stephens site is listed in Locostbuilders.
It fits well as it is about the same length as a 4 pot escort engine and the V is 60deg. Main problem is the hieght, I will have a large power bulge
to cover the plenum.
Ewan
[Edited on 19/8/04 by ewanspence]
Ewan.
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http://www.geocities.com/ewanspence/
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ned
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 08:54 AM |
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beware the type9 from a v6 has a different length input shaft and bellhousing...
donor box would need to come from xr4i or capri 2.8i iirc..
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 09:19 AM |
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Ewans car isnt that std either, being 4wd 
my web adrss is at the foot of this post.
if you do a search of this site using keywords such as ford v6 you will see this kinda thing has come up a zillion times, lots of info to be found.
atb
steve
[Edited on 19/8/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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ewanspence
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 09:26 AM |
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I totally agree....
that my build is not standard but the chassis dimensions around the engine bay are as per the book, except I did have to move the engine back about 6
inches to make room for the front diff and mod the front suspension.
Ewan.
Visit the MegaGrip site :-
http://www.geocities.com/ewanspence/
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 09:27 AM |
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my car is + 6 wider, but having said that, there is reasonable clearance around the engine. However, using the std ally brakets to mount the engine is
pretty well out, cos they are too wide, and ya cant cut em down cos they are hollow!
atb
steve
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twinturbo
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 11:17 AM |
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I would put in a 2.9EFI or A 2.8EFI and avoid the 2.8MFI and the associated difficulties with locating teh Metering unit and fule injector pipes.
You can convert the MFI to EFI fairly easily if you finf the bits.
TT
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JonBowden
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 12:34 PM |
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Stalker V6
If you're interested, this American company do a V6 based car. they do not call it a locost but the pictures show a chassis much like a locost
chassis
http://www.stalkerv6.com
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ned
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 12:40 PM |
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I don't understand why no one has adopted the duratec v6, they seem to be regularly on ebay for little money and produce much betteer than a
zetec in standard trim.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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twinturbo
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 12:46 PM |
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They have no mounts ont the side of the engine.
The engine is supported at the drivers died end by a cradle high up.
And at the passenger end by the gearbox.
It would be possible but difficult.
TT
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timf
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 01:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
I don't understand why no one has adopted the duratec v6, they seem to be regularly on ebay for little money and produce much betteer than a
zetec in standard trim.
Ned.
the duratec v6 is the k series for ford in that its cheaper to bin the engine than to fix it when the head gaskets go
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twinturbo
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 01:13 PM |
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Ford only list a service replacement engine for the Duratec V6. ( No pistions, shells, rods etc.. )
TT
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ned
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 01:56 PM |
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But isn't the jag v6 engine basically the same/ an evolvement of the duartec v6's ie st24 and st200 engines but just bored out to 3ltrs?
I know of an installation of a jag 3ltr engine in a race car producing around 330-340bhp..
 
junossv6
Ned.
[Edited on 19/8/04 by ned]
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mad4x4
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 02:03 PM |
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Why go for such a heavy engine, for the ammount of power out of the V6 compared to it weight it is terrible.
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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ned
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 02:12 PM |
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The duratec is all ally, so lighter than a zetec i believe..
as for power: the st24 engine was 170bhp as is the focus st170 and the st200 engine is funnily enough 200bhp. there is also now the st220 in the
latest modeo's which is now the 3ltr engine (same as jag) and is, yep, you guessed it, 220bhp.
Ned.
[Edited on 19/8/04 by ned]
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phelpsa
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 02:19 PM |
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Ford make a 3.0 V6 duraec, it is in the new ST220.
Adam
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 02:42 PM |
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the cologne v6 in 2.8 / 2.9 form gives out 150 hp.
compare that to the 'default' pinto 2 litre at 105/115, and its not too bad.
the engine might be 50 kilo or so more, - thats 10% more weight in the car (assuming 500kg) for 40% or so more hp 'out of the box' .
could be better than friggin with a pinto to get the extra hp...
atb
steve
[Edited on 19/8/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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twinturbo
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 02:57 PM |
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And they are nice and toquey too..
I am thinking of finding another 24V Cosworth V6 for my main build.
Again it's heavier than the standard 2.9 but knocks out IRO 196BHP stock with the two Cataclysmic Diverters and Airbox..
So probably 205 breathing correctly.
You can pick em up for £300 or less... With a granada still attatched usualy.
TT
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sietze
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 08:28 PM |
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Just two remarks:
- The V6 2,8i injection and plenum can be swapped around (turned 180 degrees). You then can have all the airfilter and metering goodies in the middle
of the car (done it on a Robin Hood).
- The Cosworth V6 can do 270 - 280 bhp with just proper intakes (throtle bodies), see Jenveys they also do a nice intake manifold. The standard
intake is just design for towing caravans. So you need throttle bodies, an ECU (MegasquirtnEDIS fits the existing EDIS very well!!) and a MT75 box as
a type 9 will only take appr. 175 bhp (unless you quaiff it. ...)
Regards
Sietze
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twinturbo
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| posted on 19/8/04 at 09:07 PM |
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Type 9 will take 200 quite happliy.
Lots of sierra Turbo Technics with them
Although by 253BHP they are past it.. I have a Typ e9 from a Twin Turbo 2.9 with a niceley stripped input shaft gear.
TT
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