NS Dev
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| posted on 10/4/04 at 10:22 PM |
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Vauxhall 16v XE height/ground /bonnet clearance
I will soon be starting to build a Stuart Taylor chassis/bodywork based locost, using a Vauxhall 16v XE engine. Does anybody know about the
ground/bonnet clearance with this engine. I was planning to use the Manta 1800 sump (winged alloy thing) but I looked at a Westfield Vauxhall at
Donington today and that had a westfield sump (only about 75mm high) and still just touched the bonnet with the cam cover. Anybody done this sort of
thing and know anything about the clearances?
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 10/4/04 at 10:33 PM |
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You wont beable to use the Manta sump... get a 8v steel one and shorten it.. or buy a rip off caterham/westfield one. Or you can get them other
places bit cheaper
Ben
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NS Dev
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| posted on 10/4/04 at 10:45 PM |
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I take it that the manta sump isn't low enough then? Have you tried this sump and found it too deep to get a decent ground clearance?
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david walker
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| posted on 11/4/04 at 07:32 AM |
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I would have thought that a Manta sump would be too wide anyway. Neither will there be any height/depth saving.
Dave Walker, Race Engine Services - 07957 454659 or 01636 671277
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 11/4/04 at 08:39 AM |
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Yeh, it'll probably hit the chassis. If nt it'll scrape the ground. It's a largish engine for the car... does go in, even the turbo
engine does fit. So just check the ground/bonnet clearance when final fitting. Dont try and fit the injection system in tho... go for
carbs/tb's
[Edited on 11/4/04 by Ben_Copeland]
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M@Triton
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| posted on 11/4/04 at 10:23 AM |
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Why not stick to a known engine configuration as it saves lots of hassle and would make the car easier to sell in the future.
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skippad
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 posted on 11/4/04 at 12:06 PM |
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stick with the Xe its worth extra work, its got a lot more power/torque than a zetec and can give blades etc a run for the money. In my MK ive got
about 35-40mm clearance cam cover to bonnet, 85mm ground clearance using Yukspeed big wing sump.
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 11/4/04 at 04:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by M@Triton
Why not stick to a known engine configuration as it saves lots of hassle and would make the car easier to sell in the future.
errrr last time i looked Vx XE was a known engine configuration.... especially as they fitted tonnes of them to Cateringvan and Westfields, plus all
the others
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NS Dev
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| posted on 12/4/04 at 08:28 AM |
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Yes Ben!! Just to agree with you there, the Vauxhall is third to the crossflow and pinto in the popularity stakes in sevens!! Saw two at donington
track day on Sat!! Plus, as was said, 204bhp with throttle bodies (that's what my current engine made on the dyno anyway before anybody
questions it!) and internally standard cannot be bad! If you work out the power to weight is beats up to 150hp bike engines!
Just to wobble on some more, and I know you are right really Ben, but does everybody commenting on here know the Manta sump that I am talking about?
It is sold by various people (like SBD etc) for £170 + as a "lowline bigwing alloy sump", but is just a standard 1800 manta one!!
That's not the same one that yukspeed sell is it?
Next question, can you (given someone with a TIG) shorten and reweld/baffle etc the astra sump? It's cast alloy but I know of a lot of cast
alloy sumps that have been modified and TIG welded up.
If not then I'll have to trawl about for a steel 8V sump but scrappies don't like losing sumps of their engines!! Anybody got an 8V sump
in the Leics area?
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JJM
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| posted on 12/4/04 at 10:36 AM |
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these were offered to me but i need them for a different application.I can put you in touch with the seller.
modified manta.
 
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JJM
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| posted on 12/4/04 at 10:37 AM |
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Modified astra.
 
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JJM
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| posted on 12/4/04 at 10:37 AM |
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SBD.
 
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david walker
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| posted on 12/4/04 at 06:18 PM |
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NS - I know which Manta sump you are on about - Yes.
I don't know if it's OK for sure because I haven't tried but I don't think you'll get one between the bottom chassis
rails on a Locost.
If you are the NS I think you are (Autograss) then you ought to be aware that a great many of your fellow Class 9 racers run std type but modified and
baffled sumps on their XE Vauxhalls which is easily done with a TIG.
Dave Walker, Race Engine Services - 07957 454659 or 01636 671277
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NS Dev
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| posted on 13/4/04 at 07:00 AM |
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Hi Dave!! I was going to ask if this was Dave Walker of Newark Engines!! Thanks for that, I'm happy now I know I can mod the astra sump,
I'll go for that so I am certain on the ground clearance issues. I had just heard of some problems welding the alloy used on the Astra sump, but
I guessed that these were not correct, now confirmed! Thanks again, Nat (yes you're right - class 9 L25)
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NS Dev
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| posted on 13/4/04 at 07:03 AM |
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JJM, was the SBD sump for sale? If so how much (you can email me on n.seviour @ntlworld.com)
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JJM
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| posted on 13/4/04 at 10:20 AM |
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u2u and email sent mate.
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ned
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| posted on 14/4/04 at 08:54 AM |
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there was an sbd sump for sale on the westfield forum before easter, haven't checked back since. i bought mine new from westfield which i think
was a mistake at the price i paid. anyway, there are some pics of said sump on my website fitted and not fittred etc etc.
Ned.
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