myeates
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 10:02 AM |
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Thinking of changing my X-flow to Zetec
Hi all
im thinking of upgrading my car from a 1.3 x-flow to a 1.6 or 1.8 zetec. Im trying to find out roughly how much work i will need to do to my car, the
car is a book built 7, how much bigger is a zetec than a x-flow. I have a type 9 gearbox so should bolt straight to that. but in terms of body
modifications what might i need to do with nosecone and bonnet if anything.
What is the best way to run a zetec megasquirt or other want to eventually be able to map the engine myself but all the electronics are all new to
me.
look forward to your replies
Mark
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02GF74
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 10:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by myeates
how much bigger is a zetec than a x-flow.
I looked into this but backed out as I did not want to put bulges in my bonnet.
The zetec is bigger on all dimentsion but most significanlty is is taller, not surprising due to having ohc.
I have the measurements of interest to you somewhere so if nooone else posts, I'll dig'em out or re-measure.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 10:22 AM |
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I believe there's only 2 or 3 "locost" sets of bodywork tall enough to take a zetec or similar without either having it hanging down
below the chassis rails or creating a bulge.
Electrics-wise, it's down to your budget. I went the emerald route, but only because I could get a cost-effective upgrade from my previous
emerald.
Megasquirt-n-Spark-EDIS would work just as well.
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tul214
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 10:28 AM |
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There is a comparison page on here if it helps?
http://westfield-world.com/enginespecs_car.html
1.6 Raw Super6 sold
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RoadkillUK
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 10:40 AM |
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I can say that a Zetec will fit under the standard bodywork in a standard book chassis.
Myself and my brother did the conversion but I'm not good at explaining things.
The only mod we did I think was to cut and shut the sump. Also had to make an alternator bracket. There's more to it than that but it's
relatively easy.
HTH.
Roadkill - Lee
www.bradford7.co.uk
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myeates
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 10:51 AM |
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thanks dimensions helpful. thats one thing i thought about is a remote sump so may be able to drop it down more.
Roadkill how far down did you drop your engine?
what sort of prices should i expect to pay for the electrics, any internet links?
thanks
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coozer
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 10:53 AM |
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I've just ripped the 1.8 put of my car in order to fit a 2L. Sitting on the trolly its 23" tall, unmodded sump tho so some inches could be
gained.
My set up with carbs, edis and Megajolt cost less than £500. You'll have to factor in a new exhaust tho as it comes out the other side.
I'm selling the engine with water rail if your interested
Steve
[Edited on 4/12/08 by coozer]
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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02GF74
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 10:55 AM |
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Yeah, you can ofcourse chop the sump or dry sump it to drop the engine down BUT the lowest part is the engine-gearbox mounting plate that sits
further toward the middle of the wheelbase and will be what grounds first so I could not see any benefit in doing that.
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UncleFista
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 10:57 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by myeates
Roadkill how far down did you drop your engine?
thanks
We (me an Roadkill) bought a CVH sump, chopped part of it off and rewelded it back on for more oil capacity.
 
CVH sump for Zetec
That gives enough clearance (maybe an inch hanging below the chassis) to fit the engine under the bonnet with millimetres to spare 
It's a squeeze, but pretty straightforward
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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maartenromijn
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 11:12 AM |
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I am still doubting what to do, will it be possible for me as non-UK based to get my locost SVA'd. If so, I think I will need to change my Xflow
setup to a Zetec as well.
What about engine and gearbox supports? Are they the same for Xflow and Zetec? I guess they will have to be modified as well?
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myeates
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 11:34 AM |
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was looking at the zetec with the exhaust on the same side as mine think its the older one not sure yet
what price you looking at for your engine Steve ?
[Edited on 4/12/08 by myeates]
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whitestu
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 01:47 PM |
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quote:
was looking at the zetec with the exhaust on the same side as mine think its the older one not sure yet
That'll be a Zetec SE. Lovely engine but It won't bolt straight to a RWD Ford gearbox.
Stu
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myeates
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 03:05 PM |
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hi i thought it would what needs doing to make it fit is it just the bellhousing change
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iank
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 05:30 PM |
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Regular Zetec size (including marked up pictures) here
http://www.zetecinside.com/xr2/zetectune.shtml
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 07:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by myeates
hi i thought it would what needs doing to make it fit is it just the bellhousing change
Yes, you need a Zetec SE bellhousing and a spigot bearing to fit a Type 9 to it. Shawspeed can supply
them, but they aren't overly cheap.
quote:
Originally posted by UncleFista
We (me an Roadkill) bought a CVH sump, chopped part of it off and rewelded it back on for more oil capacity.
What's the bolt welded to it for?
[Edited on 4/12/08 by MikeRJ]
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UncleFista
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 07:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
What's the bolt welded to it for?
[Edited on 4/12/08 by MikeRJ]
It's just tacked on for the earth, the sump's a difficult shape to get a welding clamp on
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 07:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by UncleFistaIt's just tacked on for the earth, the sump's a difficult shape to get a welding clamp on
Ahh, that makes sense. I was thinking it was an (not very) early warning system for speed bumps
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myeates
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 08:44 PM |
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thanks guys
which if any zetec will go straight to the type 9 box ? without spending the 230 quid on the bellhousing
thanks
mark
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iank
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 09:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by myeates
thanks guys
which if any zetec will go straight to the type 9 box ? without spending the 230 quid on the bellhousing
thanks
mark
Zetec-E (Zeta) from a mondeo or a escort.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zetec
Get the 2.0 or 1.8.
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myeates
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| posted on 5/12/08 at 03:22 PM |
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thanks will look out for one of those then
what are the options for getting a spark and fuel injections just looked and megasquirt is expensive as i thought it would be, may just have to save
my pennys
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coozer
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| posted on 6/12/08 at 04:37 PM |
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I'm after £200 for my engine, I also have a bellhousing spare if you need one
Check this THREAD
Steve
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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