richard munnis
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| posted on 15/1/16 at 08:38 PM |
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Zetec water rail
Hi Folks
What is the advantages of running a water rail and can it do away with the header tank i have Thank you in advance any pictures would be appreciated
cheers Richard
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big_wasa
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| posted on 15/1/16 at 08:58 PM |
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Yes it's super neat and very minimalistic but it doesn't alter the fact it doesn't really work properly in a road car.
Some will tell you there's work just fine but most will agree it's just jewellery.
I've had two and still went back to the factory stat.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 15/1/16 at 09:04 PM |
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Only two reason for fitting one (1) there is no other way to get the engine to fit ie: fitting into a Mk1/2 Escort (2) You have a need to produce lots
of boiling water.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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jeffw
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| posted on 16/1/16 at 06:31 AM |
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I suggest you search for Raceline Water Rail and get a slightly more rounded response.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 16/1/16 at 10:17 AM |
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Better still I would love to see a poll.
Have you owned one and how did you get on with it.
A) works just fine and looks great. B) looks great but just doesn't work as well as stock.
I've owned two so my opinion is my experience and not what I've seen posted.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 16/1/16 at 11:05 AM |
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Anybody who has got one to work has either had to resort to bodges or leave out the thermostat. It was designed at the end of the carbuerettor era, in
those days nobody fitted thermostats but with modern fuel injection running without a thermostat is not viable.
The designer seemed not to understand that to open car thermostats need the hot coolant to freely circulate over the thermostat bulb even when the
thermostat is closed.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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jeffw
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| posted on 16/1/16 at 12:25 PM |
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Dear God, another BT rant....
If you really are that concerned about the Raceline waterrail why don't you ring up the designer (Pete at Raceline) and get some facts.
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r1_pete
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| posted on 16/1/16 at 05:52 PM |
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Mine worked fine, and regularly tours Europe with its new owner.
I did have the heater piped in so it did bypass - almost...
 
enginedone
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matt5964
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| posted on 16/1/16 at 06:51 PM |
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You could look at the dunnell one also
http://www.dunnellengines.com/datasheets/RMP%202052%20Zetec%20Water%20Rail.pdf
Luego velocity XT 2.0ltr 221.3bhp 178.9lbft
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rm0rgan
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| posted on 16/1/16 at 07:42 PM |
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I have one fitted (well, a variant of). It worked fine while moving but struggled to manage heat in traffic so re fitted thermostat and header tank
and job was a carrot. Think it looks neater than a standard set up even with the header tank fitted.
 
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[Edited on 16/1/16 by rm0rgan]
Sigs are uncool.
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richard munnis
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| posted on 16/1/16 at 08:05 PM |
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Header tank
Hi
Nice looking job can you please tell me what your header tank is off cheers Richard
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rm0rgan
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| posted on 17/1/16 at 08:52 AM |
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Renault Clio or Kangoo but there are others that work just as well.
Sigs are uncool.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 17/1/16 at 09:43 AM |
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Metro Mgtf and Volvo C70 are neat and compact.
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GRBBONGO
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| posted on 17/1/16 at 10:27 AM |
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Follow these steps and all will be fine.
Just follow the advise to the letter in the attached article and you ll have no problems at all. I installed mine onto my new Zetec install and have
had no problems at all. Just make sure the pressure rad cap on the thermostat tower is replaced with a sealed type cap. I was very sceptical when I
purchased mine after reading some negative reviews but had no choice due to amount of space between engine and bulkhead. I'm now glad I have it
as looks nice and tidies the engine bay up a touch.
http://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/index.php/files/download/34-westfield-world-issue-five-2009/
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rm0rgan
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| posted on 17/1/16 at 02:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by GRBBONGO
Just follow the advise to the letter in the attached article and you ll have no problems at all. I installed mine onto my new Zetec install and have
had no problems at all. Just make sure the pressure rad cap on the thermostat tower is replaced with a sealed type cap. I was very sceptical when I
purchased mine after reading some negative reviews but had no choice due to amount of space between engine and bulkhead. I'm now glad I have it
as looks nice and tidies the engine bay up a touch.
http://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/index.php/files/download/34-westfield-world-issue-five-2009/
You might need to copy and paste the article as it's members only :-)
Sigs are uncool.
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GRBBONGO
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| posted on 17/1/16 at 06:24 PM |
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thanks I didn't think. Will try and paste it.
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Ugg10
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| posted on 17/1/16 at 07:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rm0rgan
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[Edited on 16/1/16 by rm0rgan]
Not sure about the new hard top though :-)
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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J90rdn
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| posted on 17/1/16 at 11:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rm0rgan
quote:
Originally posted by GRBBONGO
Just follow the advise to the letter in the attached article and you ll have no problems at all. I installed mine onto my new Zetec install and have
had no problems at all. Just make sure the pressure rad cap on the thermostat tower is replaced with a sealed type cap. I was very sceptical when I
purchased mine after reading some negative reviews but had no choice due to amount of space between engine and bulkhead. I'm now glad I have it
as looks nice and tidies the engine bay up a touch.
http://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/index.php/files/download/34-westfield-world-issue-five-2009/
You might need to copy and paste the article as it's members only :-)
Would be interested to see also if you can C&P
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Rob Allison
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| posted on 18/1/16 at 12:39 AM |
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When you understand how the standard stat block works then its easy to see what water rails will work. Its a modern engine and oil heating is a big
thing.
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Paul Turner
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| posted on 18/1/16 at 12:47 PM |
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I had a Raceline Water rail on mine when I fitted the Zetec back in 2001. It looked great. Raceline have a top notch reputation, it simplified the
plumbing and since I was removing a x-flow I already had the stat housing, cap and stat to refit.
I have no heater fitted and drilling a hole in the stat to ensure some circulation before the stat opened did sound like a bodge but went ahead since,
as I said above, Raceline have a top reputation.
Initially the system appeared to bleed the air out with no issues and the expansion bottle filled and emptied just like it had with the x-flow fitted
but unlike the x-flow the gauge never read a constant temp, it was up and down over a 20 degree range. The sensor and gauge were the ones from the
x-flow so they were compatible but to be sure I changed the sensor which made no difference.
Drilled another hole in the stat which made no difference.
Then the system pressurised and dumped all its water on the drive after a short leisurely spring drive. Presumed it would be the head gasket (engine
was used strait from Mondeo) so stripped head off but everything looked OK with the original gasket so a bit of a mystery.
While it was apart I took the committee decision to fit the standard stat housing, stat etc and plumb it in as Ford intended with a pressurised
header. 15 years and many 1000 of miles later I have never regretted my decision. Rock steady gauge reading which gives you a bit of confidence.
Shortly after converting it back I picked up one of the rare alloy stat housings off and old Orion and have since replaced all the dodgy looking
rubber with nice silicone pipes.
The one good thing about the Raceline rail was selling it on e-bay, got almost what I had paid since it appeared Raceline were out of stock when I
auctioned it.
I have bought more stuff from Raceline since, never had an issue but I could not recommend the water rail.
Below are pics of what it looks like and how I connected it all together.
 
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big_wasa
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| posted on 18/1/16 at 01:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul Turner
Drilled another hole in the stat which made no difference.
My experience was similar except the extra drillings made the overcooling worse. The advice was three around the stat to allow a more even flow over
the bulb.
Worked great at tick over.
Worked great if you thrashed it.
On a steady run it would only get to 30~40 deg and that's not good for a zetec or emissions.
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Rob Allison
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| posted on 18/1/16 at 02:33 PM |
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Did you not have the oil heat exchanger connected?
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Paul Turner
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| posted on 18/1/16 at 02:46 PM |
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Never had an oil cooler fitted to mine. On a hot summers day the oil only gets to 90 degrees stood in traffic and in spring/autumn barely gets to 80
degrees. The oil stat would only open once a flood thus I would be carrying extra weight and complications about for no benefit.
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jeffw
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| posted on 18/1/16 at 02:52 PM |
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My Raceline Waterrail works fine. Water temp comes up to 90 deg and then cycles upto 96 deg before the fan comes in and then it drops to 92 deg.
Don't have a problem with over-cooling, over-heating or low oil temps.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 18/1/16 at 02:55 PM |
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A though occured to me a heavily modded engine that pushes the rad heat exchange capcity to near the limit will always will suffer less from
overheat-over cool cycles than a bog standard engine.
In the month before christmas I watched one of the americam TST seminars on Cooling Systems in the 21 Century, it was a marathon video and I
can't rember half of the finer detail they gave but one of the issues they highlighted was that the control of the flow through cooling systems
is going to become a lot more complex and that manufacturers are progressively increasing by-pass flow.
A problem with lack of by-pass flow they mentioned was that it has been identified as a major cause of failure of water pumps with plastic impellers,
when the out flow from the pump is blocked the exra torque required to spin the impeller against can cause the shaft to start slipping in the
impeller.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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