i have just got a 205 engine,im planing to rebuild it to fit into my mk indy,i carnt aford to get it from a pro ,i quite fancy doing it .any ideas ???
would like to see 180-190hp
[Edited on 18/4/09 by jpindy3]

[Edited on 18/4/09 by jpindy3]

yep. buy a duratec or red top.
seriously.

you can spend a fortune rebuilding that engine with everything you can possibly get,

with a vauxhall red top, bike carbs and a decent exhaust will get you not far off 180bhp

edit, thats sounds quite negative and a bit rude, i don't mean it like that, but i wouldn't say you've started with the best engine for that sort of power

[Edited on 18/4/09 by blakep82]

Or a KLDE V6 for £100 will get you close to 200

^^^ He's right, you'll spend a lot of time and money getting that sort of power froma Pinto when you could drop in a VX XE, Ford Zetec (or maybe a Duratec) and get that sort of power pretty easily.

The best way to get that sort of power from a pinto is to fit another engine.

Seriously though that has got to be at the upper end of a N/A pinto's limits. When I got mine rolling roaded the bloke there said they built one for his boss and managed to squeeze 180bhp out of one with a lot of work. That may have been at the wheels but he didnt say.

A Pinto with that sort of power would be in high race tune with a high lift cam that would be a pain to drive on the road because of the high power band.

Although we had someone call in work the other day who said they had a Westfield with a 270bhp pinto in it....

The money you would have to spend to get a pinto to 160bhp you could get a lighter Zetec/Duratec with around 180bhp

All in my opinion of course.

Edit: Haha looks like I took too long to post, everything I have said was already said in the above posts!

[Edited on 18/4/2009 by greggors84]

Whilst your waiting for someone who's actually done it, here's some background reading :

Puma Racing

.........you probably saw that already.

Plus what blake said !

If you really want to stick with the Pinto, and what that kind of power, then you need to be thinking about forced induction.

A turbo setup should produce the required power figure

John

well i already have the bike carbs on another pinto,with a red top what would i have to do about the ecu fitting carbs ,and what power ????

Engine

Ford 2-litre Pinto, 2046cc (bore 92mm), 76.95 mm billet steel crankshaft, forged alloy pistons, steel flywheel, two gallon dry sump, 19-row oil cooler, twin Facet fuel pumps, Warrior Holbay 16-valve twin-cam cylinder head, 50/48 mm Weber DCOEs, DA10/DA19 cams, 12 gallon fuel tank, 238 bhp at 7500 rpm. Hillclimb version 270 bhp at 8000 rpm, 205 lb ft at 5500 rpm.

http://www.connaughtengines.co.uk/IvesEscort.asp

(both at the power, and the work needed

well, looks like it can be done, but i'd still stick with a red top

If i remember right, the red top was designed by vauxhall to be tunable, and the bottom end as standard is good for about 200bhp. worth bearing in mind

as for bike carbs and ECU on a red top, i'd go for megajolt for the ECU, and a home made manifold, but bear in mind a few calculations will be needed for intake length etc for getting the best out of it.

I've not got a red top, but i went for the newer ecotec, which is the exact same block as the red top, and i'm doing the megajolt bike carb thing just now

[Edited on 18/4/09 by blakep82]

The good old Pinto is a bit like the Xflow nowadays, isn't it.
It made good cheap power in its day, but now the only reason you would absolutely choose one is because the regs of your championship say you have to.
Buy a Red Top Vauxhall, stick some carbs on it and bingo, you're there.

Pinto with 16v head?

Isnt that basically a NA cossie engine?

thanks peps,what about that red to though,i dont know much about it ,as i say i have carbs off a zx9,what power would be poss ,would i need a new ecu

you won't get 180-190 out of a pinto unless you are going to spen some serious money, much easier to get a zetec turbo or duretec

red top it is ,anyone want a pinto????

ecu wise, you would need something like megajolt, widely used on here, fully reprogammable with a PC. really good bit of kit., and like zil says, that with a decent exhaust and air filter, 180bhp should be there (though i'd say 170bhp) a small amount of extra work will get you 180-190 though.

a LOT cheaper than a pinto

and in fact, i'm using a slightly different engine to the red top, but using zx9r carbs and megajolt myself

[Edited on 18/4/09 by blakep82]

ah, and welcome to the forum btw

Well I have done it and I can tell you that you will need the best part of a grand or maybe a bit more to do it.

It can be perfectly ok at normal speeds with a good tickover and still give you the power you want.

However most of the posters above are correct - you can do it cheaper with other engines.

If you really want to know how u2u me

Cheers

Mark

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red top it is ,anyone want a pinto????

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DURATEC. tb's & Megajolt.
Need a new bellhousing to mate to a type 9.
The exhaust exits from the same side and if you have a s/s system it will fit the duratec.
No new manifold or bonnet.
Keith2lp from this site has done this.
If you are looking at cost this is something to consider.

HTH

Nige

Supercharge it. 200bhp on stock internals with an eaton m45 (mini cooper s) supercharger and more if you fit a decent cam.

Costs £150 for supercharger, make the manifold yourself (£50 for materials?) then you ideally would want to fit injection, so another £400 for megaquirt and throttle bodies. Run it on blow through for simplicity.

Duratec isnt *that* simple, but do able on a budget (i reckon mines going to be about £800 by the time its in)

David

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i have just got a 205 engine,im planing to rebuild it to fit into my mk indy,i carnt aford to get it from a pro ,i quite fancy doing it .any ideas ???
would like to see 180-190hp
[Edited on 18/4/09 by jpindy3]

[Edited on 18/4/09 by jpindy3]

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Mr Mookaloid sir please tell me how to get 190bhp
Graham

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The best way to get that sort of power from a pinto is to fit another engine.

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Originally posted by jacko
Mr Mookaloid sir please tell me how to get 190bhp
Graham

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There you go Jacko, you can't drive properly

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Originally posted by roadrunner
There you go Jacko, you can't drive properly

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no just tight with fuel

After another great meeting [ The Nationals 1981 ]

yes i know what you mean Roadrunner

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Originally posted by David Jenkins

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Originally posted by greggors84
The best way to get that sort of power from a pinto is to fit another engine.

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I generally say the same thing to anyone who asks about getting max power out of a Kent/crossflow! Work out how much money is required to get the required power from the old engine - then spend it on a much more modern engine. I like my x-flow, but I'm not going to spend any more money on it.

A modern engine is more efficient, giving more power out of the box, with the added bonus of much higher reliability and greater potential for tuning.

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jack when you want this fuel tank????

Donkervoort build in the nineties the S8AT and D10 which had a turbocharged pinto with a compresion ratio of 8,2:1 and a Garrett T3 turbo running at 0,7bar, intercooler, Cosworth pistons, a new fuel injection system (Bosch LE jetronic) and a 3 way catalytic convertor, it produced 170hp in 2l form and 190hp when it was enlarged to 2160cc (=93,00x79,54 mm).


link:
http://www.powerpage.dk/tuningshistorier-filer/ford/ford.htm

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david (flak monkey) could a mini cooper supercharger be modded to fit my DOHC without changing anything internally?
Thanks Al

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Originally posted by hellbent345
david (flak monkey) could a mini cooper supercharger be modded to fit my DOHC without changing anything internally?
Thanks Al

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i have a 190 bhp pinto here. it's got about 8,000 miles on it & i paid much less than half of what it cost to build - i think the build cost was around the 7k mark

so very shortly i will have a nice low mileage 1700 x-flow on bike carbs for sale