Stuart_B
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| posted on 25/12/08 at 05:48 PM |
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v6 engine
hi all, merry christmass.
i am be trying to find out the engine specs of the rover 827 v6 engine, which is a honda engine. but i can not find the weight of the engine and the
weight of the gearbox, any idea's?
thanks
stuart
black mk indy, 1.6pinto on cbr600 bike carb's.
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mr henderson
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| posted on 25/12/08 at 05:53 PM |
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Don't know myself, I expect you will try googling etc, but you might want to bear in mind that the gearbox will normally be a transverse unit,
is that what you want?
John
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 25/12/08 at 06:03 PM |
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i have tried goggle, but i can not find it, maybe wrong words i am using.
i want a front wheel drive v6 2.7 litre engine to stick in to a front of a mini, which i will be doing shortly, with a bit of luck.
teh plan is get a old mini, repaire it, put a i pice flip front on, maybe a roof chop, make my own front sub frame, chop the bluckhead out make a new
one and put a v6 in.
thanks
stuart
black mk indy, 1.6pinto on cbr600 bike carb's.
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clairetoo
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| posted on 25/12/08 at 06:35 PM |
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Have you considered the Mazda/ford 2.5 used in the Mazda6 / 626 / Ford Probe ? Small , light , tunable and cheap as chips - I payed £100 for the one
going into my Fury in the next few days 
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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minitici
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| posted on 25/12/08 at 06:37 PM |
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Don'y know about the old 827 but the later KV6 from the 800 and landrovers seems good.
Wiki
It is used to good efect in Les Mutch's Dax rush (especially when tuned by Tom New )
Video of the Dax
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 25/12/08 at 06:38 PM |
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no i havent not, are they front wheel drive engines, it is that i throught a rover as it will be the same make, as well the engine is honda, it is
good quality.
more info about thoses engines i think i will have a llok.
thanks
stuart
black mk indy, 1.6pinto on cbr600 bike carb's.
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Liam
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| posted on 25/12/08 at 10:03 PM |
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I'm using this engine in my car! I originally considered the later Rover KV6 (didn't know about the honda back then). I made some
enquiries for info on a rover 800 forum and the response was a unanimous 'use the 2.7 honda cos the KV6 will fall to bits!'.
Great engine by all accounts. I remember weighing mine at about 125kg with no exhaust manifolds, ancilliaries, or flywheel (but did have my steel
adaptor plate on) - so pretty light for a V6 with a lazy, torquey 177bhp as standard.
The main pain in the arse is that there is no nice separate loom from engine to ecu like most engines have making installation into another car easy.
Instead the ecu is under the driver's seat and the wiring is all merged with the main loom. Would be a horrible job to unpick it all. I have
detailed wiring diagrams and was going to wire from scratch. I've since decided to ditch the standard management, rip off the dizzy and other
emmissions gubbins etc etc, and go megasquirt 'n edis - much better option imho.
You're other source of info is Phantom (if they're still around). They use this engine in their Phantom GTR kit (which I think is quite
nice). They will probably sell you a loom if I recall.
Not sure on gearbox weight - same as any other transverse box I should imagine. LSD is available, but can't remember which models, if any, had
as standard.
Hope that helps
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stevebubs
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| posted on 25/12/08 at 10:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Liam
I'm using this engine in my car! I originally considered the later Rover KV6 (didn't know about the honda back then). I made some
enquiries for info on a rover 800 forum and the response was a unanimous 'use the 2.7 honda cos the KV6 will fall to bits!'.
The KV6 in the 800 was considered a pile of sh!t.
The later KV6 (modified based on 800 experiences) fitted cars such as the 75 etc was considered a much better beast....
[Edited on 25/12/08 by stevebubs]
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geoff shep
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 12:21 AM |
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I had an 825 - same Honda engine (just smaller than the 827) and it was brilliant. Until the headgasket blew!
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 11:07 AM |
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hi all, thanks for the replys, i might try and get a 825 engine and box as i want a manual, and i do not think that the 827 only comes in auto, so i
might just get teh smaller one.
as well is there any cheap way to tune the engines up? to over 200+bhp
thanks
stuart
black mk indy, 1.6pinto on cbr600 bike carb's.
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clairetoo
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 11:27 AM |
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Turbo ?
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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britishtrident
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 11:45 AM |
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The Honda 2.5 V6 fitted to the early Rover 825/Sterling/Honda Legend was nothing but trouble --- main problems over heating, low oil pressure and
camshaft wear. In addition it had little low and medium speed torque.
The Honda 2.7 V6 fitted to the Rover 827/800 Coupe/Last Tranverse engined version of the Honda Legended was very much improved, but was still a little
lacking in torque and performance.
KV6 fiitted to the last Rover V6 engined 800 (also called the 825) was in initially very problematic with head gasket problems but almost all the
engines were exchanged and reworked by Rover under extended warranty to much closer to the spec used in the Rover 75 and Freelander and the reworked
engines give littlte trouble.
However the Rover 75 V6 is a better bet as it is a more advanced specification.
Manual Gearboxes Rover 800 V6 PG series 5 speed gearbox.
Rover 75 Getrag 5 speed.
Auto Boxes Jatco 800 4 speed 75 5 speed
But why choose a V6 --- V6 engines because of thier layout they are a truely horrible bodge --- dynamically unbalanced and rough, the only reason
they are useable at all is because they have additional counter balancing shafts.
Better to use a 4 cylinder Turbo ie the Rover 1.8KT or heavier but more poweful 2.0 T series Turbo or even a good no-turbo like Honda's
2.3 straight 4 Twincam four used in the Rover 623.
[Edited on 26/12/08 by britishtrident]
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Liam
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 11:54 AM |
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During my research on the rover 800 forums, the 2.5 seemed to have a much lower reputation than the 2.7. The 2.7 was developed somewhat and the older
2.5 had a number of weaknesses. Definately manual 827s, or a 2.5 box will probably fit (not a 2.5 KV6 box though of course).
I expect my 2.7 to make close to 200bhp on the megasquirt with the dual length inlet butterflies removed. I also plan to twin turbo at a later date.
There was actually a factory twin turbo version of this engine in a Japan-only Honda Legend. 280bhp.
Liam
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 12:15 PM |
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Defo manual boxex available. My Father in law had an 827 vittesse with a manual box. Fast car and very smooth engine IIRC.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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Liam
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 12:26 PM |
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Deary me, BT! Expected better from you than that V6-ist nonsense
Sure V6s have a theoretical primary inbalance, but in practice it isn't hard to mitigate. Practically any modern V6 (and the majority do not
even have extra balance shafts at all - carefully designed crankshaft with offset journals will do) has a smoother power delivery than a straight 4 -
and that's in the technical sense of less torque variation throughout the cycle, not just the 'feel'.
Liam
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clairetoo
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 01:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
But why choose a V6 --- V6 engines because of thier layout they are a truely horrible bodge --- dynamically unbalanced and rough, the only reason
they are useable at all is because they have additional counter balancing shafts.
[Edited on 26/12/08 by britishtrident]
Not what I have found............I picked a V6 because of the sound and smoothness , as well as size .
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 03:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Liam
Sure V6s have a theoretical primary inbalance, but in practice it isn't hard to mitigate.
It's impossible to mitigate without a balancer shaft.
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Liam
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 03:54 PM |
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To mitigate doesn't mean to eliminate completey. The point is many V6s, including the one in question, don't require a balancer shaft to
give a smoother power delivery than a straight 4. Certainly not a 'truely horrible bodge' only made useable at all by balancer shafts!
Liam
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imp paul
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 06:37 PM |
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Image deleted by owner v6 2.5 kv6 engine fits snugg
[Edited on 26/12/08 by imp paul]
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DIY Si
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 06:57 PM |
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Although it's bit heavier, have you thought about the Alfa V6. Available in 2.5, 3.0 and 3.2 litre forms, and 12V and 24V versions. The 2.5 24V
which I have is 192 BHP stock, so by the time I've fitted it in, albeit with some "minor" tuning, it should have about 230-240 BHP
and an 8,500 red line. Not sure how it compares weight wise to the Honda or KV6, but it is probably heavier. And many of them come with a 6 speed box,
which can be fitted with an LSD quite easily. They are not the cheapest of engines to buy though.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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clairetoo
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 07:10 PM |
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Another vote for the Probe engine from me - here's mine , going into my Fury tomorrow
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Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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DIY Si
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 07:16 PM |
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How heavy is it Claire? I really do need to weigh mine at some point.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 07:20 PM |
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hi all, thanks for the info, on all other options, which i did not even think about.lol
the weight is a big issues as i do not want to have to do so much mods on the front and rear brakes and sussepion it will need massive wheels on it
and cost lots of money forthe brakes and lots of money to put new pad's and disc on it.lol
as well that i will need to have massive steel frame to hold it all.
i do not think if i would be able to fit a turbo under a mini bonnet. maybe if i bulge the bonnet?
as well would you be able to make a motorbike gearbox fit to a car engine? and if you could, would ittake the troque of the engine?
thanks
stuart
black mk indy, 1.6pinto on cbr600 bike carb's.
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clairetoo
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 07:43 PM |
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Sorry to say this - but I dont think its a good idea to put a V6 into a mini without major mod's to the brakes and suspension - as well as a bit
of structural `reinforcement`
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 07:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
Sorry to say this - but I dont think its a good idea to put a V6 into a mini without major mod's to the brakes and suspension - as well as a bit
of structural `reinforcement`
i am, but i do not want to have to fit 17" plus on the mini to fit the brakes in. see i want to try and make it look like the mini i want (it is
in my head, what i want it too look like) as well, i was going to make a realy sturdy front subframe which will tie in to the car, maybe the extra
support around the car(bracing) and if i put a rool cage in to that as well.
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