D Beddows
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 09:02 PM |
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Nah - top result mate, more significantly than the boring cec vs bec stuff it proves that it's the builder and driver(s) of a car rather than
the brand name that actually matters 
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Paul (Notts)
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 09:11 PM |
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Slighly off topic but who won?
Paul
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pajsh
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| posted on 17/5/08 at 06:41 AM |
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One small point of course is the track.
My Big Bruvver used to whup the arses of bigger bikes around Mallory on his 400 but at Donnington he'd struggle against the 600's &
thou's.
On a bigger faster circuit yer old rice burner's gonna run out of puff! 
I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 17/5/08 at 07:39 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul (Notts)
Slighly off topic but who won?
Paul
They don't know, due to lots of red flags early in the morning they will announce it when they have worked it out.
Lotus, yes Lotus (don't know how they are classed as hand built) won the team event and this has to be due to them been able to keep time sheets
dry and legible during the 1st 3 hours because as you will hopefully see when hicost posts some video the Lotus was picked off at will.
I see the goal posts are moving again, a corner that you exit at over 100 in the dry, two straights you achieve well over 100mph on and a 1st gear 30
mph hairpin that the torque of a CEC will leave BECS for dead out of, what do you guys want ? 
As circuits go the average speed at Mallory is fast.
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adithorp
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| posted on 17/5/08 at 07:46 AM |
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So, CEC guys, am I reading this right...
All the CEC were badly set up and had bad drivers?
One things for sure; It wasn't a fair fight!
adrian
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 17/5/08 at 09:37 AM |
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hmmm , the lightest car with the lowest centre of gravity , SHOULD allways be quickest , a BEC fits into that nicely all other things being equal .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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Coose
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| posted on 17/5/08 at 09:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by owelly
quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
wobbly wheels and clown car settings,
So, you've seen my car?
HAHAHA!!!! It's soooooo true!
Spin 'er off Well...
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Jasper
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| posted on 17/5/08 at 12:05 PM |
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On a shortish track a small lightweight BEC will always beat a CEC everything else being equal - even more so in damp conditions. I don't think
there are many people who would/could argue with that.
For me the arguement for BEC/CEC is about the general usability of the cars, not about how good they are on track. If I wanted a track day / race car
I would definetly go for a BEC, BUT if I wanted a sportscar for long distances, all weathers, and general useability I personally would rather drive a
CEC. I know there are people (Jon for one) who is happy driving a BC any distance in any conditions, but for me a CEC with weather gear is the way to
go.
If you're not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 17/5/08 at 01:01 PM |
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OK, the original post title maybe a bit controversial but enough people hinted publicly and privately that BEC's wouldnt hack it. A track and
conditions that suited BEC's ? By the time the track dried out the average speeds where in what everybody tells me is CEC territory ? There is
only one tight / slow speed corner there after all, the rest of the circuit is "power" territory ?
Anyhow, not often on locostbuilders I accept but the "locost" gets dished left right and center in other forums, there where cars there
you would expect us to be quicker than for sure but there where plenty there that we "should" not have got near if you listen to some.
So I guess my 2nd point is you can buy a few lengths of 25mm box section, you can weld it up yourself, you can set your car up in your garage with a
tape, bathroom scales, decorators laser and a plumb bob to give an end result that to be honest yesterday even though I say so myself is well capable
of punching above its weight.
Locost n proud.
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pajsh
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| posted on 17/5/08 at 08:05 PM |
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quote:
Locost n proud.
Group Hug
I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 17/5/08 at 08:54 PM |
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The actual results of Fridays endurance event will be the proof of how successful/unsuccessful the BEC teams were. Got to agree with Jon, the
BEC's were passing everything on track but whereas we were new to the event, some of the others have been doing these type of events for years.
You've got to bear in mind that this wasn't a race or a trackday, it was an endurance event and as such not all drivers would have been
driving their cars to their full potential in terms of speed.
No doubt the results will be interesting......
Phil
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 17/5/08 at 09:30 PM |
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To a point, but during the damp/wet conditions before lunch when it was difficult to get 40 laps in (until they decided to give you to many back and
put you over ??) surly if at no other time during the event drivers should then have been pushing for quickish times ?
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Hellfire
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| posted on 17/5/08 at 09:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
To a point, but during the damp/wet conditions before lunch when it was difficult to get 40 laps in (until they decided to give you to many back and
put you over ??) surly if at no other time during the event drivers should then have been pushing for quickish times ?
Maybe the more experienced knew they'd be awarded extra laps for the red flag incidents and how many to expect?.........
Phil
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 18/5/08 at 07:02 AM |
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But......... we was under the impression until they did start giving laps back that time lost was time lost never to be gained/given back.
In hindsight I would have personally prefer it that way, 1/2 hour lost, same for everybody ? Give you laps back that put some over and gives them
penalties yet some find themselves bang on the button ?
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worX
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| posted on 18/5/08 at 07:54 AM |
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It was ridiculous to sort it out in that manner.
As above, time lost under red flag for one person was time lost for us all. It benefited the slower cars more which I wouldn't of had a problem
with!
Steve
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froggy
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| posted on 18/5/08 at 08:06 AM |
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what colour was the kitten? yellow by any chance?
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Hellfire
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| posted on 18/5/08 at 08:21 AM |
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Blue;
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welderman
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| posted on 18/5/08 at 09:44 AM |
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i was happy with the result, good day, fun, was a laugh, not taken tooooo seriously ish.
BEC's rule though.
Thank's, Joe
I don't stalk people
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=172301
Back on with the Fisher Fury R1
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 18/5/08 at 09:52 AM |
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Morning, just unloaded van and give car a quick look over........
Found a few things, we all but got through a set of front pads, a bolt as gone AWOL out the gear linkage which will explain a few missed gears, the
car is covered in oil (think it must be from the westy that threw a rod in front of us) apart from a good clean, replace the missing bolt and a set of
front pads all looks fine.
Chris you should have made us go out for that missing lap, its not like we didnt have time.
As for the organisation of the event, no one can have any complaints really, I certainly haven't, if people didnt give up there time to arrange
such events they would never happen in the 1st place there was enough for them to sort out without the weather coming along to make things even more
difficult, but I would personally suggest in future red flag lost time is just that, lost time ? Reading the regs regards safety cars etc that's
definitely the impression I had and was surprised when you came over and told us not to bother going out as we had already completed to many laps with
one car/driver still to go out and at least do his minimum required 5 laps for that hour ?
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froggy
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| posted on 18/5/08 at 10:11 AM |
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havent seen that kitten before what was in it? i cant speak about track days but i do know that on the road a tin top with 250+hp will leave my kitten
once im over 60mph but off the mark and on b roads where you rarely get above 70-80mph i have yet to be overtaken, the most surprising thing is how
much speed you carry into bends and roundabouts as i had a good ding dong with an escort cosworth who kept overtaking me on the run into newcastle
under lyme which is a series of shortish straights and roundabouts only to be out braked and overtaken on each roundabout if i had turned the nos
bottle on it would have been another matter though
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