Simon
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 10:37 PM |
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I've said it before, so I'll say it again.
It's not the speed, it's hitting things that's the problem.
I would like to see a 20mph ZONE on my estate. I'd also like to see certain stretches of motorway deristricted.
I can take a pushbike/horse and cart/dog for a walk etc on a dual carriageway (which have roundabouts/T-junctions etc etc), yet I can go exactly the
same speed on a motorway where you'll get nicked for taking a dump beside the road, no matter how desperate!
I once needed to do 110 miles in a hour. I did it with ten minutes to spare And no, I'm not saying where or when!!
ATB
Simon
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Peteff
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 11:27 PM |
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A few years back
I went straight through a red light on my bike. There was nothing else coming but the light was a suspended one and I hadn't seen one before. I
just didn't look up. I don't think at 150mph your reaction time is quick enough to react to a changing situation. O.k. if there's
only you on the road but if you have an accident it's going to take someone else out as well. Unfair on others. I'd like to see everyone
stick to the limit for a week and see how the police handle the loss of revenue from cameras. Get them off their arses and out to work again.
[Edited on 7/5/04 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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mackie
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| posted on 8/5/04 at 10:03 AM |
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I like to think I practice safe fast road driving, although I would like to go on a proper fast road course (expensive though!)
Main thing is just not to leave anything to chance and drive only at a speed at which you can stop in the distance you can see and that is appropriate
to the conditions.
I'm off out in a bit for a blast down the B660 and I expect I won't need to speed to have fun
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britishtrident
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| posted on 8/5/04 at 06:12 PM |
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This wasn't the guy caught doing 150 on the the A9 (a lethal busy main route) while using a hand held mobile phone ?
Nutter of the first order
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JoelP
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| posted on 8/5/04 at 07:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon
I would like to see a 20mph ZONE on my estate.
yep, id like that outside my house. when i have kids it would make me feel much better, though obviously a large gargen gate is a good start. all
schools should definately be 20 zones, especially at 3.30 ish.
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greggors84
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| posted on 9/5/04 at 04:40 PM |
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I go to spain every summer to windsurf, and after going there for 18 years we have met alot of french and spanish friends. The french bloke who taught
me to windsurf all those years ago, drives down to spain so he normally drives when we go to a different windsurfing location or the local surf shop.
I was shocked the first time i went in the car with him, he was a crazy driver by our standards and for a middle aged espace driving family man. I
asked him about they way he drives mainly because he was quite open about his mad over taking manouvers and he said in france most people drive like
that and u have to get anywhere. He has been over to the UK numerous times and reckoned that our driving standards are much higher, he thinks speed
cameras have something to do with it, and because of this they are becoming more popular in france, he blames this on us!
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 9/5/04 at 05:35 PM |
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the nuttyest driver I have been in a car with in the last few years is a relation by marriage.
He is a squadron leader in the RAF who teaches flying of C130 herculese!
atb
steve
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Peteff
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| posted on 9/5/04 at 06:02 PM |
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I once got a lift with a Mothers Pride bread van driver. He was radio rental, never again. He was sliding a 3.5 ton Leyland luton sideways like a
rally driver but on dry roads .
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 9/5/04 at 08:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
I once got a lift with a Mothers Pride bread van driver. He was radio rental, never again. He was sliding a 3.5 ton Leyland luton sideways like a
rally driver but on dry roads.
stupid. should have used his loaf.
Perhaps he was paid by the delivery, and needed the dough?
I woulda thought it was easy to roll a bread van.
atb
steve
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Peteff
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| posted on 9/5/04 at 11:18 PM |
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I woulda thought it was easy to roll a bread van
Bread, roll, it just gets better Steve  , or is it butter.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Cita
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| posted on 11/5/04 at 06:06 PM |
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Driving at 150 mph on a public road,motorway or whatever you call it, when there is a chance,even the slightest,of hurting other people is a crime!
To those who are so full of German "autobhan freiheit" remember that when you cause an accident at speeds above the recommended speed,you
loose ALL rights instantly(no insurence!) and if you still live,YOU are gonna be the bummer who has to pay, if there is such thing as "paying
for a human live".
NOBODY can predict what somebody else is going to do so passing another driver at 150 mph is playing with the live of the driver you are passing.
All the speed freaks should take a simple test.Get yourself in a "ready for the scrapyard car" and drive this car at 20 mph into a
concrete wall,a ridicilous speed in a car?
You might be surprised to see the amount of SH#t your body contains if you have the guts to keep your feet on the accelerator and off the brake.
There are lots of chances to go to circuits and drive as fast as you dare.
There's a big difference between fun and adrenaline.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 11/5/04 at 06:40 PM |
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In the UK you are still insured, regardless of any traffic laws you break that lead to an accident.
anything else would be stupid!
we also have unlimited liability - so you could drink drive, crash a petrol tanker into a public building, and kill 100 people and trash a 20m pound
building. Your insurance would have to pay every penny.
In the USA they dont have unlimited insurance - some states have ins as low as 50k min cover. When you hire a car, you can extend the value to 1m
dollars if you pay an extra fee. Just about cover you hitting a ferrari.
atb
steve
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Cita
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| posted on 11/5/04 at 07:37 PM |
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What do you mean by "everything else would be stupid"?
Embrace your UK insurence with both arms Stephen as long as it lasts!
Sure in our country the insurence pays the victim but they have legal rights to recover the money from the one who caused the accident under certain
circumstances.Driving under influence or unacceptable speed like 150 mph are legal grounds to recover the money.
And so it should be!
Dont get me wrong here,i dont claim that i'm driving by the road code all the time or keep the speed limit as the bibles word but it's not
a black and white world.
Insurence is there to cover accidents within the traffic code and it's no different than in daily live.
Those who take to much advantage of the weak points in a system usually make everybody else pay for it and cause the system to be narrowed and worse
to live with.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 11/5/04 at 08:38 PM |
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im reasonably sure that insurance companies could sue for the money back, but I have never heard of such a situation.
Even if there was, there is a get out.
If a huge claim is made against you, you declare bankrupcy. You will lose your posessions, but assuming my 1m claim example, they wouldnt get the
money back in full from mr average.
In the UK, even if you have NO INSURANCE the UK insurance industry must pay in part the damages caused to a 3rd party, even tho you were not insured
at all.
The law is basically trying to protect others. So in the uk, being totally un-insured cos you were speeding, wouldnt happen, as it would affect the
rights of the person you had the accident against.
Thats why anything else wouldnt make sense....
atb
steve
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JoelP
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| posted on 12/5/04 at 09:16 AM |
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some change to the bankrupcy law recently, or maybe a proposed change, reducing the time to 12 months before you can unregister as bankrupt. thats the
gist of it anyway. makes it too easy a way out in my books.
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mackie
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| posted on 12/5/04 at 10:45 AM |
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Stephen, you seem quite knowledgable about this insurance lark.
Blueshift got hit by a driver being persued by the police and caused minor damage to the rear bumper and a light cluster.
They didn't catch him so there's noone to sue, is there anything he can do?
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 12/5/04 at 10:57 AM |
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Im by no means an expert - its just what I have heard (and unhappily thro accidents!) learnt.
The association of british insurers (i think) run an uninsured losses scheme, where an uninsured driver causing harm to others has to be paid for by
the insurers. I think it must be part of the deal that basically allows the law to make em a fortune cos insurance is compulsory. What a way to get
business - you MUST by law have a product.....
However, as you dont have a driver at all, I dunno how that works out.
thats the beauty of comprehensive insurance - you can get it repaired one way or tother!
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by mackie
Stephen, you seem quite knowledgable about this insurance lark.
Blueshift got hit by a driver being persued by the police and caused minor damage to the rear bumper and a light cluster.
They didn't catch him so there's noone to sue, is there anything he can do?
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Cita
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| posted on 12/5/04 at 10:59 AM |
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Steve,i dont think it matters for the victim who's gonna pay him/her,and the victim certainly wont bother if the insurence company will try to
recover the money from the irisponsible driver.
No matter how you look at it,in the end the insurence company is there in the first place to make money so that 1 m has to be recovered by the
company,one way or another.
It maby would be interesting to find out how much Lloyds would charge for a car insurence with a driver who's doing 150 mph on public roads or
driving under influence.
For the rest....i'm not to keen on insurence company's except.... when i need them
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 12/5/04 at 03:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
This wasn't the guy caught doing 150 on the the A9 (a lethal busy main route) while using a hand held mobile phone ?
Nutter of the first order
No this was the A92 that runs behind Kirkcaldy in Fife. The road you are thinking about runs from North from Perth. Its a dangerous road in the summer
with all the visitors from the continent who look the wrong way!!!!!!!
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 12/5/04 at 06:45 PM |
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how would you like foreigners to look
atb
steve
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Peteff
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| posted on 12/5/04 at 09:25 PM |
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In the UK you are still insured
If you are deemed to be speed testing or racing another vehicle your insurance will be invalid. It happened to 2 lads who worked for a friend. They
were on a dual carriageway coming back from a job in 2 vans and were charged with these offences and fined heavily for the insurance breach.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 12/5/04 at 09:32 PM |
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agreed
thats specifically mentioned on all policies I have ever had........
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
If you are deemed to be speed testing or racing another vehicle your insurance will be invalid. It happened to 2 lads who worked for a friend. They
were on a dual carriageway coming back from a job in 2 vans and were charged with these offences and fined heavily for the insurance breach.
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tony9876
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| posted on 13/5/04 at 09:30 AM |
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If you are hit by an uninsured driver you can claim for all of any injuries and any damage over £400 from the motor insurance bureau so the tip would
be to get whiplash to cover the access damage. This fund was set up by all the underwriters and is another excuse as to why are premiums are so
high.
Basically the only winners are the scumbags who drive pissed and uninsured.
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JoelP
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| posted on 13/5/04 at 01:58 PM |
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car insurance companies run at a loss apparently, proped up by other insurance lines. that was on telly recently, apparently a 20% annual loss. in
other words, they pay out 120% of what they take as premiums.
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Peteff
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| posted on 13/5/04 at 03:07 PM |
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car insurance companies run at a loss apparently
Yeah,right. No business in its right mind subsidises a loss for more than 3 or 4 years. It would be financial suicide. They would drop the motoring
section like a hot coal if on a loser. Don't believe everything you read. 98% of all facts are made up to substantiate an argument, including
this one.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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