imp paul
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 08:10 PM |
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why not try a Honda k20a engine would make more sense lots more fun and it will fit
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clairetoo
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 09:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by imp paul
Image deleted by owner v6 from a probe fits snugg
Only one thing - that looks nothing like the probe engine I have sitting in the garage - the cam drive is all wrong ?
[Edited on 26/12/08 by clairetoo]
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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imp paul
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 09:17 PM |
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well i was told its a Mazda?ford lump but but ill leave it with you as its not my car its a pals i can find out more if need be? right i have done
some home work it is a 2.5 kv6 engine from a rover in a nut shell
cheers Claire
[Edited on 26/12/08 by imp paul]
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DIY Si
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| posted on 26/12/08 at 10:36 PM |
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Well, if that's the Kv6, you'll never get all that in the front of a mini! Not without a huge amount of possibly pointless work.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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mr henderson
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 09:18 AM |
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In a mini, doesn't the original engine sit on top of the gearbox? whereas more modern front wheel drive units fit in front of the gearbox (and
thus poke throught the bonnet)?
John
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imp paul
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 09:44 AM |
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why not look at this it would be a better way to go as car would still drive like a mini and go like stink lol
http://www.pro-motive.co.uk/R1KitInfo.html
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DIY Si
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 09:57 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mr henderson
In a mini, doesn't the original engine sit on top of the gearbox? whereas more modern front wheel drive units fit in front of the gearbox (and
thus poke throught the bonnet)?
John
Yup, the original basically had the gearbox in the sump. And the engine itself was quite short. Even so, there wasn't a huge amount of space
under the bonnet. By the time you've gotten a modern DOHC engine in and it's box sat off to one side, it's normally way too high.
Although with a V6 you may counter some of the height issues, you then run into depth issues, what with the V being deeper than a little 4 pot.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 12:18 PM |
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here is a pic of a rover 2.5 v6 engine and gearbox in a front of a mini.
 
v6 in a front of a mini
stuart
black mk indy, 1.6pinto on cbr600 bike carb's.
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mr henderson
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 12:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Stuart_B
here is a pic of a rover 2.5 v6 engine and gearbox in a front of a mini.
v6 in a front of a mini
stuart
I'm not an expert on Minis due to being too tall to fit comfortably in one, but isnt that a Mini Clubman, rather than a Mini?
John
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 12:31 PM |
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yes it is a mini clubman. have not got a picture of a mini one
black mk indy, 1.6pinto on cbr600 bike carb's.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 12:39 PM |
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Do you know what sort of suspension set up that is running? Still not sure that having such a big heavy lump in the front is a good idea though.
John, how tall are you if you don't fit? I'm 6'3" and have always fitted in my minis just fine.
[Edited on 27/12/08 by DIY Si]
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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mr henderson
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 12:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
John, how tall are you if you don't fit? I'm 6'3" and have always fitted in my minis just fine.
Well, I used to be 6'4" (bit shorter now due to age (and weight) related compression), but a lot of that height comes from my deliciously
long legs, which meant that might right knee ended up jammed between the steering wheel and the door in a standard Mini.
I could have moved the seat back, I suppose, but it didn't seem promising so most of my motoring from that era was done in Fords, especially
Cortinas. Did drive my brother's Imp for a while, though, come to think of it.
John
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DIY Si
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 12:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mr henderson
quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
John, how tall are you if you don't fit? I'm 6'3" and have always fitted in my minis just fine.
Well, I used to be 6'4" (bit shorter now due to age (and weight) related compression), but a lot of that height comes from my deliciously
long legs, which meant that might right knee ended up jammed between the steering wheel and the door in a standard Mini.
I could have moved the seat back, I suppose, but it didn't seem promising so most of my motoring from that era was done in Fords, especially
Cortinas. Did drive my brother's Imp for a while, though, come to think of it.
John
When you were driving them (which I guess was a few years back) were those little brackets for moving the seat back and down available? I needed them
with the standard seats, but none of my minis have stayed stock for long.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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C10CoryM
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 06:26 PM |
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Dont forget that most V6s sound terrible. Very buzzy exhaust note at high rpm. I am currently trying to decide how to shut mine up. Sidepipes would
sound horrible so I am trying to make room for rear exit exhaust with proper mufflers. As soon as I'm feeling better that is (damned flu!).
Cheers.
"Our watchword evermore shall be: The Maple Leaf Forever!"
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DIY Si
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 08:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by C10CoryM
Dont forget that most V6s sound terrible. Very buzzy exhaust note at high rpm. I am currently trying to decide how to shut mine up. Sidepipes would
sound horrible so I am trying to make room for rear exit exhaust with proper mufflers. As soon as I'm feeling better that is (damned flu!).
Cheers.
Most, but not all. Also, any V6 running an exhaust for each bank will sound a bit odd. I'm looking, as you are from the sounds of it, about
running an exhuast down the car and using a full system. The distinctive sound of the Alfa V6 is part of why I've picked it for my plans.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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clairetoo
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 09:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
How heavy is it Claire? I really do need to weigh mine at some point.
I just popped it on some old bathroom scales (not the most accurate method.....) and a bare engine (no flywheel / pully's / etc ) and it's
110kg's 
A lot less than I was expecting
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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DIY Si
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| posted on 27/12/08 at 10:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
How heavy is it Claire? I really do need to weigh mine at some point.
I just popped it on some old bathroom scales (not the most accurate method.....) and a bare engine (no flywheel / pully's / etc ) and it's
110kg's
A lot less than I was expecting
Isn't that less than a Pinto?
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 28/12/08 at 01:24 PM |
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yes it is, a pinto is like 145kg and a type 9box is 55kg i think.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 28/12/08 at 02:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by C10CoryM
Dont forget that most V6s sound terrible.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6cs889alqtQ
Wish my car sounded that bad 
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 29/12/08 at 07:40 PM |
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well, i think i might try and get a 2.5 engine with a manual box or a 2.7 and a buy a manual box from a 825 rover, then get a nice supercharger on it,
to give it a few extra horse in the mini, and run some big brakes and some heavy duty bracing in the mini to handle the power, and to keep the shell
from flexing.
hoping to get a rusty old mini in the new year. then start up the welder and start repaire it first, slowy as i am a student and only afford small
amount a month.
stuart
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C10CoryM
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| posted on 29/12/08 at 08:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by C10CoryM
Dont forget that most V6s sound terrible.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6cs889alqtQ
Wish my car sounded that bad
I like the sound of the transmission  .
Exhaust note is not for me though. Then again, it's hard to compare to say, a historic trans am car idling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQCmv1_U1oM&feature=related
where you can feel every pulse in your chest.
racing clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSpDqy8QOHk
Or you could try a historic can-am car. The 8L mclarens sound good.
and then there is always the top fuel drag cars which are just plain intense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svWPItw6_UU&feature=related
They snap the throttle at about the 2:25 mark.
Sorry but compared to those, buzzy V6s just dont do it for me . They obvously have their uses though and I do have one in my car.
Cheers.
Cory
[Edited on 29/12/08 by C10CoryM]
"Our watchword evermore shall be: The Maple Leaf Forever!"
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hillbillyracer
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| posted on 29/12/08 at 11:59 PM |
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I do think this is too big an engine for the front of a Mini, I fitted a Montego Turbo & later an M series Rover 16v into mine for Class 6
autograssing which is a no limits Fwd class. In both cases it was a massive amount of re-working, firstly with a much modified & widened Mini
subframe & later it had a scratch built frame & that was later modded further to mk1 Golf front struts.
I cant see the V6 being much shorter than than most 4cyl inline engines & it's a helluva lot wider, that V6 totally fills that clubman
engine bay, everything else will be much compromised to make the room.
Sorry if this all sounds a bit negative, I dont mean it to! I'm all for this kind of thing but I'd encourage you to look for an engine
that doesnt compromise the Mini's strong points & addresses the weak areas: they are light & agile cars (adding a lot of weight in the
front will hurt that) but suffer from an engine which is not the easiest or cheapest to tune & you're stuck with a 4 speed box unless you
spend as much again on the box itself.
The bike engine has to be worth a good look, I'm no fan of them but for the money they've got a lot of power, compact, light & a
sequential box (but a bit lacking in the reverse department )
Or there's loads of sub 2000cc cars that have an engine that would provide well over 100bhp & in some cases match or better the Honda V6
with nowhere near the weight & size problems.
There's plenty scope to make a Mini faster by lightening them too, for example replace the rear subframe with a coil-over shocker type beam to
save a load of lbs in one weekend's work. Best bit is that way you get more speed & more MPG!
If you dont already know about this site have yourself a look through here, plenty ideas here: http://www.16vminiclub.com/forums/index.php
I can see these boys being less than kind about the Fwd V6 idea though!
After all though, it's your car, build it how you want! And mabye I should listen to my own advice, I've got a Mini pickup & a Honda
H-series from a Prelude that's got me rubbing my chin!
[Edited on 30/12/08 by hillbillyracer]
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