Jon Ison
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:01 PM |
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BEC v CEC Myth busters...... controversial post.
Anyone at Mallory today will know the answer.
893cc's of rice burner.
3 hours on track. (From rain soaked standing water to dry)
Number of times overtaken ? Once. (by a hyabusa bec)
Number of cars overtaken ? Lost count after 1st 1/2 hour.
Should be some interesting video to follow.
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CaptainJosh
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:05 PM |
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A classic "My car is faster than yours" thread begins.
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jos
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:05 PM |
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can't wait to see the footage
.: Motorsport / motor racing circuit / track wall art Apex Traxs :.
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ReMan
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:13 PM |
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Glad you had a good day. Sorry I could'nt get to see any of you.
Look forward to the video 
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mookaloid
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:16 PM |
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Sounds like you had some fun Jon 
We will have to see whether it adds anything to the BEC/CEC debate - there are so many different factors to take into account 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CaptainJosh
A classic "My car is faster than yours" thread begins.
Well on the day it was, so there......
Easy answer, turn up. I put my car where my mouth is. Get hacked off with people giving it "Caterham this" "Wesfeild that"
"lotus other" "Cobra this" 2locosts are crap" and most of all "BECS cant hack it"
I don't have the fastest car on the planet nor claim to have, but turned up for every one to see and prepared to be shot at, and yea, I'm
gonna shout about it, we took the pee. (In a BEC, you know those fragile rice burny things)
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mookaloid
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:30 PM |
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:31 PM |
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Nice one Jon - as you say, actions speak louder than words!
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:38 PM |
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Originally posted by mookaloid
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:51 PM |
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Originally posted by mookaloid
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The post was put up there to get a healthy debate going so popcorn a plenty................
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grub
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:58 PM |
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green eyed monsters are a coming i can feel it
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MikeR
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 06:58 PM |
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i blame the drivers!!!!
(which will have a degree of truth in it + 3 hours isn't much of an endurance, i mean, i bet that pokey little bike engine / box would never
last 24 hours! :p)
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nitram38
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 07:26 PM |
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You have to remember other factors too, like driver skill level................
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richard thomas
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 07:28 PM |
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The proof is in the pudding. (rice, that is...)
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DIY Si
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 07:31 PM |
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I would say driver skill and vehicle set up probably play a bigger part than what engine is has. Yes, a standard BEC will be quicker, all else being
equal, than a CEC. BUT as soon as you put me in the BEC and someone who can really drive in the CEC, guess who will naff off into the distance? Same
goes for set up. If one car has wobbly wheels and clown car settings, a push bike would probably win, as you're more than likely to fall off at
the first corner!
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worX
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 07:35 PM |
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Well Jon I am all there with you despite having a bit of a hiccup right at the end!
Tim wasn't passed even once all day and I was passed just twice but thats because I spun at the Esses and took those two cars back within the
very next bend!
One of the highlights of the day was taking six cars (including T70 6litre) toward the chicane. There seemed loads of cars in front of us because of
torrential rain, I looked over to Tim, noticed a wry smile in the corner of his eye and thought f**k it, I'm having these and just planted it
and my little rice burner saw the lot of 'em off........
Some other "low"lights, were:
As Tim was taking the Hairpin overtaking the Kitten round the outside, the door flung open and nearly smacked him in the face 
I thought the guy was falling as he was trying to shut it!!!
One of the absolute quality moments was when one of the NG Findhorn was in front of us at the Timing-Log Station and he pulled up too close to it and
knocked over the girl's chair with his front wheel, then when she'd righted herself he pulled acroos her and wiped out the table, chair,
notebook and timing transponder..............
Steve (and Tim)
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owelly
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 07:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
wobbly wheels and clown car settings,
So, you've seen my car?
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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worX
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 07:38 PM |
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Thats all well and good, but it doesn't go that far to explaining how we were driving round the outside of Westfields and Caterhams the whole
day...
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Originally posted by DIY Si
I would say driver skill and vehicle set up probably play a bigger part than what engine is has. Yes, a standard BEC will be quicker, all else being
equal, than a CEC. BUT as soon as you put me in the BEC and someone who can really drive in the CEC, guess who will naff off into the distance? Same
goes for set up. If one car has wobbly wheels and clown car settings, a push bike would probably win, as you're more than likely to fall off at
the first corner!
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mookaloid
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 07:40 PM |
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Better get some more in
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DIY Si
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 07:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by worX
Thats all well and good, but it doesn't go that far to explaining how we were driving round the outside of Westfields and Caterhams the whole
day...
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Originally posted by DIY Si
I would say driver skill and vehicle set up probably play a bigger part than what engine is has. Yes, a standard BEC will be quicker, all else being
equal, than a CEC. BUT as soon as you put me in the BEC and someone who can really drive in the CEC, guess who will naff off into the distance? Same
goes for set up. If one car has wobbly wheels and clown car settings, a push bike would probably win, as you're more than likely to fall off at
the first corner!
Note, if you will, the "Yes, a standard BEC will be quicker, all else being equal, than a CEC" bit.
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Jubal
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 08:21 PM |
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Originally posted by worX
Thats all well and good, but it doesn't go that far to explaining how we were driving round the outside of Westfields and Caterhams the whole
day...
Err, no. It explains it rather well. Surely cornering speeds aren't that different if everyone has similar tyres and similar confidence
levels?
I reckon a CEC needs approx 30-40hp on the BEC but beyond that if all other factors are equal there won't be much in it.
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richard thomas
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 08:22 PM |
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Steve, Tim, shouldn't you be in the bar just now?
PS sorry I couldn't make it...would have loved to see the BEC vs CEC argument put to bed once and for all...this is the ultimate proof!!! I
understand the 'good driver in crap car will beat bad driver in good car' arguments. But let's face it - you two were in a BEC and
i've heard that you both drive like tw*ts!
End of argument.
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CaptainJosh
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 08:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
quote:
Originally posted by CaptainJosh
A classic "My car is faster than yours" thread begins.
Well on the day it was, so there......
Easy answer, turn up. I put my car where my mouth is. Get hacked off with people giving it "Caterham this" "Wesfeild that"
"lotus other" "Cobra this" 2locosts are crap" and most of all "BECS cant hack it"
I don't have the fastest car on the planet nor claim to have, but turned up for every one to see and prepared to be shot at, and yea, I'm
gonna shout about it, we took the pee. (In a BEC, you know those fragile rice burny things)
I was simply jesting and its good to see a locost whoop the bottoms of some of those caterham owners.
Just because it doesn't have a high £ name, doesn't mean its not awesome
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D Beddows
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 08:38 PM |
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Have you let Sam68 of Pistonheads fame know how badly you did yet? might be fun
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 16/5/08 at 08:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows
Have you let Sam68 of Pistonheads fame know how badly you did yet? might be fun
That had crossed my mind, slowcost crap chassis cant make em handle n all that whatever the motor, all the winters hard work paid off big style, most
of it attention to detail, getting things into a position where they will work and general spring/damper and geometry.
BTW everything was two up, another achilles heal of the rice burner.
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