JAG
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 08:49 AM |
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Cars DON'T cause Global Warming
That's according to a paper published in Dec' 2007 - this paper carries 400 signatures of prominent scientists.
See HERE
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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coozer
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 08:54 AM |
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Thats right, IMO its all a load of horlicks.
Global warming is caused by the SUN.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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Agriv8
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:09 AM |
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Some sense at last.
The Romans were growing wine grapes happily in the UK 'When they were here' so things must have got colder since then and now they are
warming up again. Plus we have only been mearsuring it 'accuratly' for 50 or 60 years thats not a long time considering how long the
planet has been going.
But hey lets not remove a reason for the Fecker to tax us more !!!!!!
Regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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balidey
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:10 AM |
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Global Warming.
Global Polution.
Two very seperate things. Yes, everything man-made contributes to one of them and we should all do our bit to reduce the effects of it, but its NOT
global warming.
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blakep82
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:14 AM |
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i remember when all this used to be casued by CFC's in the ozone layer  what happened to all that?
hmm, too much greehouse gasses and carbon dioxide in the atmoshphere (i gather they mean up in the sky like on the edge of space) co2 is heavier than
the air we breathe, so.....
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:22 AM |
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Well we stopped using CFCs.. The data I get back at work shows that the CFCs have been decreasing, so the ozone hole is in fact able to recover
C02 emissions we can't stop unless people stop burning fossil fuels.. Come to you own conclusions..
Working as a scientist in the field I can ensure you most people agree on climate change it is happening, as to what this means this is open to
argument.
Dan
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smart51
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:26 AM |
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It's hardly from an unbiased source though, is it? - The US Government.
The matter is essenitally unproven and unprovable.
350 years of Central England Temperature records show that the Earth is warming at an accelerating rate. 8 of the 10 hotest years on record are in
the last 10 years, 9 of them in the last 50. The world is heating up and sea levels are rising. The link with CO2 is unproven but either way,
I'm glad I don't live near the sea.
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chrsgrain
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:28 AM |
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In science there is and should always be debate, unfortunately at the moment it appears that the 'theory' and 'hypothesis' of
of climate change is turning into unquestionable undebatable dogma where any sceptic is ignored - this can't be good for ongoing development of
any theory or argument - no matter whether its right or wrong....
Chris
Spoing! - the sound of an irony meter breaking...
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larrythelathe
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:44 AM |
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madness
I f you don't believe carbon and methane is causing the world to warm you need to do research of your own.
I work in science and also studying the planet thro open uni. I started doing this as i am keen skier and saw first hand thro' my work the
retreating of glaciers in the alps.
Its not that i am greeny i have a BEC i fly however it makes me feel sick to see the tax we pay to offset our carbon when.
government choose to put very little of this money into solving the problem.
400 scientist is nothing, i reckon i could get that saying it does in about 2 hours.
Bring on forced hydrogen research and Nuclear power.
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Moorron
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:47 AM |
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Im also one of those who beleive its an excuse to creat fear to then tax or make a living on.
The human race has effected the world, how could it not, but when you think how the sun can 'blip' and change things on earth 50 times
more then we could ever do then i cant see why they have said its our fault.
The problem is that because its politically driven people then choose (like me) not to do anything, why should i pay extra tax to have my bins emptied
less, which doesnt make me save the world but makes some bloke in the local council richer?
In 100 years the human race will look back at us now and smile at us like we did and those who burned witches. I honestly think its that stupid.
Sorry about my spelling, im an engineer and only work in numbers.
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Benzine
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:53 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chrsgrain
In science there is and should always be debate, unfortunately at the moment it appears that the 'theory' and 'hypothesis' of
of climate change is turning into unquestionable undebatable dogma where any sceptic is ignored - this can't be good for ongoing development of
any theory or argument - no matter whether its right or wrong....
Chris
+1
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:58 AM |
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seeing as there are some knowledgeable people on here then (reading the above comments) is it true that when a volcano erupts in kicks more co2 into
the atmosphere than has ever been done by man?
I read it somewhere and I am interested in how true it is.
Oh and I completely agree with the comments about Scientific theories being labeled as fact - to be honest that happens LOADS, with a lot of stuff we
can only guess at - just watch a documentary on dinosaurs behavior, or evolution to hear these cast iron "facts" *rolls eyes*
Think this underlines we live in a media controlled world, what they pump out, becomes commen opinion very quickly, which impacts on vote clambering
politicians policy.
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larrythelathe
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 10:00 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dangle_kt
seeing as there are some knowledgeable people on here then (reading the above comments) is it true that when a volcano erupts in kicks more co2 into
the atmosphere than has ever been done by man?
Super volcano true.
I read it somewhere and I am interested in how true it is.
Oh and I completely agree with the comments about Scientific theories being labeled as fact - to be honest that happens LOADS, with a lot of stuff we
can only guess at - just watch a documentary on dinosaurs behavior, or evolution to hear these cast iron "facts" *rolls eyes*
Think this underlines we live in a media controlled world, what they pump out, becomes commen opinion very quickly, which impacts on vote clambering
politicians policy.
agreed so research if yourself and have a educated opion.
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smart51
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 10:01 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Anyone noticed there's no sun spots at all right now, magnetic fields about to flip again...the 11 year cycle, one of many.
A recent study has shown that sun activity is normal and isn't the cause of recent climate change. This is sound science, not speculation.
Global warming is clearly and patently not linked to the 11 year sun cycle.
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 10:34 AM |
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Mr Wippy Scientists don't agree most of the time that's how it works..
A scientist proposes a theory, scientists then check/run experiments to see if the theory holds true.. It takes years and years until eventually get a
consensus as to whether a theory is correct or not. Eventually the theory might become excepted as a law of physics etc..
As a scientist it is the disagreements that makes it fun and helps progress things..
Dan
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JAG
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 10:38 AM |
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I think the best we can do is;
1) Say that the Earth is definitely warming up.
2) The increase is over a tiny amount of time and COULD be a part of the overall warming/cooling cycle that our planet goes through every so often.
3) WE DO NOT KNOW what is causing this change.
Everything else is IMHO speculation and so far unproven.
To the 'scientists' above;
Tell us how many papers you've published (with links please) and whether any of them cover this subject before you get any more credibility than
the rest of us 
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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Agriv8
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 10:38 AM |
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the amount of Co2 from Catle VS Co2 from Cars in a year Discuss
Ps I am all for saving fosil fuels ( I need em for my v8 )
A few years ago we were all going to die of skin cancer due to Ozone depletion. A decade before that we were going into another ice age and we were
all going to need triple glazing.
Reagrds
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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larrythelathe
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 10:41 AM |
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yup
we discussions that have to be stopped to stop all out brawls awesome at times.
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larrythelathe
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 10:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JAG
I think the best we can do is;
1) Say that the Earth is definitely warming up.
2) The increase is over a tiny amount of time and COULD be a part of the overall warming/cooling cycle that our planet goes through every so often.
3) WE DO NOT KNOW what is causing this change.
Everything else is IMHO speculation and so far unproven.
To the 'scientists' above;
Tell us how many papers you've published (with links please) and whether any of them cover this subject before you get any more credibility than
the rest of us
s
sure no worries i work here
www.guralp.com
one bit of my work
http://www.guralp.com/documents/PRM-POS-0001.pdf
I work in the world of obs instrumentation and harsh environments (ice caps boreholes hense we get involved in monitoring ice caps)
Name is M.Rowe theres a fair few of my papers sign By DR. guralp as i still studying.
feel free to look around i think its a cool site.
sorry should of added i am the head mechanical designer.
[Edited on 11/4/08 by larrythelathe]
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coozer
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 11:03 AM |
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I'm tempted to have a rant but seeing as Global Warming is now a multimillion dollar industry it will be waste of time. Too many people rely on
the lies to make a living, there are even lists on the stock exchange for ISA's and the like so global warming will never go away.
Eee, I can remember the good old days when we were going to freeze to death cause CFC's had made a big hole in the earths blanket, oh, and
getting the sledge out for weeks on end, digging a path to the coal house every morning...
People have very short memories and this is just the latest fad.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 11:12 AM |
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No problem,
Take a look at:
http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/project/omega/
This is the current project.
This is the group I work in:
http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/group/eodg/eodg_people.html
My Phd was on the calibration of HIRDLS a satellite instrument designed to look at atmospheric dynamics and chemistry in the atmosphere.
Our departmental research web page is:
http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/main/research/index.html
You will need to remember that I am an instrumentation scientist (why else would I be building a car!).
Some of my work (not uptodate, you will need to search for publications by D.M. Peters):
Peters, D.M., Grainger, R.G., Optical properties of Saharan Dust, in preparation, 2007.
Peters. DM, et. al., Radiometric Calibration of HIRDLS, in preparation, 2007.
Peters. D.M., Grainger, R.G., Thomas, G., Irshard, R. McPheat, R.A., Laboratory measurements of the complex refractive index of Saharan dust aerosol,
EGU poster, 2007.
Peters, DM, Grainger, R.G, Measurements of the Optical Properties of Volcanic Ash: Current Satus, poster presentation, COSMAS annual meeting, 2004
Peters, DM, Radiometric Calibration of the High Resolution Dynamics Limb Sounder, D.Phil thesis, University of Oxford, 2004
Peters, DM, Measurements of the Optical Properties of Volcanic Ash, poster presentation, Royal Metrological Society Conference, 2003
Peters, DM, Grainger, RG, Measurements of the Optical Properties of Volcanic Ash, Proceedings of Aerosols in the UTLS workshop, 2003
Barnett, JJ, Bracken, JN, Djotni, K, Hepplewhite, CL, Moorhouse, JL, Oduleye, OO, Palmer, CWP, Peters, DM, Rokke, LA, Walton, TW, Watkins, REJ,
Whitney, JG, Gille, JC, Arter, PI, Eden, TD, Nardi, B, Pre-launch calibration of the NASA AURA HIRDLS instrument, Infrared Spaceborne Remote Sensing
XI, 5152,172-180, 2003
Barnett, JJ, Djotni, K, Hepplewhite, CL, Oduleye, OO, Palmer, CWP, Peters, DM, Walton, TW, Watkins, REJ, Whitney, JG, Gille, JC, Arter, PL, Nardi, B,
Mirror emissivity measurements for the NASA AURA HIRDLS instrument, Infrared Spaceborne Remote Sensing XI, 5152, 238-246, 2003
Eden, TD, Gille, JC, Barnett, JJ, Arter, P, Hepplewhite, CL, Palmer, CWP, Peters, DM, Watkins, REJ, Whitney, JG, Radiometric calibration of the HIRDLS
flight instrument from pre-launch calibration data, Infrared Spaceborne Remote Sensing XI, 5152, 231-237, 2003
Hepplewhite, CL, Watkins, REJ, Row, F, Barnett, JJ, Peters, D, Palmer, CWP, Wolfenden, R, Djotni, K, Arter, P, HIRDLS instrument radiometric
calibration black body targets, Infrared Spaceborne Remote Sensing XI, 5152, 223-230, 2003
Peters, DM, Watkins, REJ, Stable space-based encapsulated platinum resistance thermometry over the range -9 degrees C to 50 degrees C, Temperature:
Its Measurement and Control in Science and Industry, 7, pts. 1 and 2, 684 , 1115-1120, 2003
quote:
Originally posted by JAG
I think the best we can do is;
1) Say that the Earth is definitely warming up.
2) The increase is over a tiny amount of time and COULD be a part of the overall warming/cooling cycle that our planet goes through every so often.
3) WE DO NOT KNOW what is causing this change.
Everything else is IMHO speculation and so far unproven.
To the 'scientists' above;
Tell us how many papers you've published (with links please) and whether any of them cover this subject before you get any more credibility than
the rest of us
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Hellfire
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 11:38 AM |
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JAG - get your coat...
Steve
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Benzine
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 11:44 AM |
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You can prove anything with facts
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MikeR
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 12:07 PM |
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good god .... here we go.
ok, sun warming - proposed by a scandanavian, promoted by everyone who didn't want to believe CLIMATE CHANGE (don't call it global warming
please). Most scientists didn't believe it - but as it was what lots of people wanted to hear it was promoted.
Recently debunked by scientists from (i think) Lancaster and Reading. I believe there work has / is being peer reviewed and no one has found fault
with it (yet).
CFC-s yep we messed up the ozone layer, luckily it stuck over the south pole, its now slowly reducing from being something like the size of America.
Thank god we stopped using CFC's eh.
Ice age approaching / 26 other reasons why we're not going through climate change - read here.
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn11462
please, honestly PLEASE do read. Its very interesting, presented in an easy to understand way and explains why the theory arose and why its now no
longer believed along with lots of other crap sprouted by people.
Obviously if you want to keep your head in the sand and ignore the facts - then don't bother, but please shut up when people who have looked
into this subject, who have researched it, who's lifes work is on the subject speak. They might just know a little more than someone like you or
me who've read the the Sun or Mirror in the morning.
Edited to add a (yet) and to apologise as i've just ranted a bit, its friday and i'm annoyed with work, you lot got the brunt of it, but
this topic frustrates me.
[Edited on 11/4/08 by MikeR]
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Benzine
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 12:16 PM |
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tl;dr
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