scootz
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Shooting Spree in Cumbria...
Shootings in Cumbria Link
It's Evolution Baby!
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 12:49 PM |
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get down there and neutralise the issue Scott!
On a side note have you seen the film "taken"? I imagine you to be like Liam Neeson but with back ache 
Craig
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scootz
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 12:57 PM |
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I won't be going anywhere (have the Dentist at 2:30).
I'd imagine that Ivan (T66) will be hovering about in the sky over there though!
It's Evolution Baby!
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Humbug
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 01:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
I won't be going anywhere (have the Dentist at 2:30).
I'd imagine that Ivan (T66) will be hovering about in the sky over there though!
Dentist at tooth-hurty, eh?
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balidey
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 01:06 PM |
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BBC reporting that Police think they have found his body.
Dutch bears have terrible skin due to their clogged paws
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TimC
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 01:06 PM |
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Holy Cr@p!
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tony-devon
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 01:11 PM |
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what a sad sad world,
but just how did it happen, I thought the government had got rid of illegal guns?
Im expecting a big backlash towards the legal shooters after this event
I always look at events like this and wonder, if the public could get permission to carry arms, how many would have died then,
heavy is good, heavy is reliable, and if it breaks, hit them with it
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A1
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 01:12 PM |
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holy cock!:O
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tony-devon
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 01:15 PM |
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according to cumbria police website it looks like the git topped himself in boot woods
HOORAY!
heavy is good, heavy is reliable, and if it breaks, hit them with it
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eddie99
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 01:15 PM |
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Terrible!
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BenB
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 01:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tony-devon
what a sad sad world,
but just how did it happen, I thought the government had got rid of illegal guns?
shotgun? lots of those around.....
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tony-devon
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 01:34 PM |
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yeah indeed theres a lot of them, sorry my sarcastic comment was just aimed at the useless politicians that will no doubt have some major knee jerk
reaction to this event
I feel very sorry for the families of those killed or injured, but at least the selfish twat is dead and its over
luckily in my opinion that he topped himself
saves the taxpayer a fortune and at least the job didnt fall to an armed response officer who then isnt allowed to work and faces endless questions
and paperwork for just doing the job he is paid and trained to do.
heavy is good, heavy is reliable, and if it breaks, hit them with it
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Jasper
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 01:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tony-devon
what a sad sad world,
but just how did it happen, I thought the government had got rid of illegal guns?
Im expecting a big backlash towards the legal shooters after this event
I always look at events like this and wonder, if the public could get permission to carry arms, how many would have died then,
Are you for real??????
If the public had permission to carry guns, then every Saturday night in your local town centre would be like living in the Wild West.
Guns kill people, more guns out there means more people die ..... 
If you're a Charlton Heston lover, then go and live in the US and enjoy their death rate by gun crime.
If you're not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room.
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BenB
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 01:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
quote:
Originally posted by tony-devon
what a sad sad world,
but just how did it happen, I thought the government had got rid of illegal guns?
Im expecting a big backlash towards the legal shooters after this event
I always look at events like this and wonder, if the public could get permission to carry arms, how many would have died then,
Are you for real??????
If the public had permission to carry guns, then every Saturday night in your local town centre would be like living in the Wild West.
Guns kill people, more guns out there means more people die .....
If you're a Charlton Heston lover, then go and live in the US and enjoy their death rate by gun crime.
It's a bit like after the last school shooting in the states some flipping eeeejut on the news said "they pick on schools because pupils
aren't allowed to bring guns in to school, if pupils were allowed to bring in guns there would be less shootings"
For real!!!
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tony-devon
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 02:01 PM |
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the comments about schools is just stupid I have to agree, they are usually picked on because the nutter is from that school and has problems there or
something similar
I didnt say that it should happen or that it was a great idea, I just said that I often wondered
would the typical thieving scrote go robbing multiple houses if he was aware that the owner of that house would most likely have a gun and might shoot
them?
its something that we will never know here anyway
the only thing that I would say that it sounds like a shotgun was used in this horrific shooting spree, if owned illegally then theres not a lot that
could have been done
however if it was held legally then it backs up what I have felt for a long time, that the licensing with regards to shotguns needs a major shakeup
and this is coming from a shooter!
heavy is good, heavy is reliable, and if it breaks, hit them with it
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fha772
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 02:04 PM |
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Well, as somebody who was applying their handgun licence at the time of Dunblaine.
I can safely say, I can buy a pistol easier, quicker, and cheaper than when they were legal. I have been offered guns before now in backstreet pubs
in Nottingham and Manchester. I have reported these incidents to the police.
The law worked well before, but unfortunately, 1 nutter got through the checks. At least then there was checks on the people who had handguns, unlike
now, where any loon who thinks he's a "Gangsta" can get 1 with little hassle.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=6743&start=105
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D Beddows
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 02:05 PM |
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Sorry but there's no excuse or justification for owning a gun...... or any other dedicated weapon come to that. and if you admire the
'beauty' of something whose sole reason for existing is to kill things then I think you need a bit of looking at........
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 02:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
quote:
Originally posted by tony-devon
what a sad sad world,
but just how did it happen, I thought the government had got rid of illegal guns?
Im expecting a big backlash towards the legal shooters after this event
I always look at events like this and wonder, if the public could get permission to carry arms, how many would have died then,
Are you for real??????
If the public had permission to carry guns, then every Saturday night in your local town centre would be like living in the Wild West.
Guns kill people, more guns out there means more people die .....
If you're a Charlton Heston lover, then go and live in the US and enjoy their death rate by gun crime.
I am not going to get into any sort of back wards and forwards on this, as the very sad result of one person going over the edge has had such sad
results.
You can NEVER legislate to stop the individual having such a severe breakdown and doing what he has done.
As for gun ownership, always citing the alledged unsafe extreme of America is a fairly typical kneejerk political reaction. In Switzerland gun
ownership is almost mandatory as is enlistment in their Armed services. The result is that armed bank robberies and events such as todays are few and
far between because if someone kicks off, then they know that their chances of survival are next to nill and it will all be over much quicker.
Guns DO NOT kill. People using guns kill.
Each time the government controlled gun ownership with tighter legislation, illegal gun ownership has seemed to increase.
The above statements are MY opinion and in leiu of the sad circumstances I shall make NO further reply as a mark of respect for those who have today
very sadly lost thier lives today.
My thoughts are with those of the families that have lost loved ones today. I.P.E.S.
[Edited on 2/6/10 by jollygreengiant]
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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tony-devon
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 02:11 PM |
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guns dont kill people!
and they dont exist for the sole purpose of killing things
shooting is a sport, an olympic sport at that, as well as pest control
people shoot for the same reasons that some of you take your cars to tracks and hammer round trying to go faster and set a new lap time
competition
how many people die each year in the UK in gun related accidents?
how many die in car accidents, oops lets ban cars LOL
once again it will be the legal owners that get hammered over it, as they are the only ones the police can have a go at, as the criminals walk free
however as I have said, I do feel that shotgun licenses do need to be looked at and changes made, you dont need good reason, you dont have to proove
that you have been using it, and you arent limited to how many you own!
heavy is good, heavy is reliable, and if it breaks, hit them with it
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jossey
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 02:25 PM |
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crazy sh*t
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Jasper
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 02:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
quote:
Originally posted by tony-devon
what a sad sad world,
but just how did it happen, I thought the government had got rid of illegal guns?
Im expecting a big backlash towards the legal shooters after this event
I always look at events like this and wonder, if the public could get permission to carry arms, how many would have died then,
Are you for real??????
If the public had permission to carry guns, then every Saturday night in your local town centre would be like living in the Wild West.
Guns kill people, more guns out there means more people die .....
If you're a Charlton Heston lover, then go and live in the US and enjoy their death rate by gun crime.
I am not going to get into any sort of back wards and forwards on this, as the very sad result of one person going over the edge has had such sad
results.
You can NEVER legislate to stop the individual having such a severe breakdown and doing what he has done.
As for gun ownership, always citing the alledged unsafe extreme of America is a fairly typical kneejerk political reaction. In Switzerland gun
ownership is almost mandatory as is enlistment in their Armed services. The result is that armed bank robberies and events such as todays are few and
far between because if someone kicks off, then they know that their chances of survival are next to nill and it will all be over much quicker.
Guns DO NOT kill. People using guns kill.
Each time the government controlled gun ownership with tighter legislation, illegal gun ownership has seemed to increase.
The above statements are MY opinion and in leiu of the sad circumstances I shall make NO further reply as a mark of respect for those who have today
very sadly lost thier lives today.
My thoughts are with those of the families that have lost loved ones today. I.P.E.S.
[Edited on 2/6/10 by jollygreengiant]
Ok, to deal with these points as is only fair to do:
1. No, of course you can never legislate against nutters, but if they can gets their hands on a gun rather than a knife they will, most certainly,
kill a LOT more people.
2. Switzerland .... have you ever been out on a Saturday night in Switzerland? I have, and it's got to be one of the most boring places on
earth. The Swiss are not like us, or Americans, or most other people, they are on the whole MUCH more well off, much better educated, and much more
conservative. The reason they don't have a lot of gun crime isn't because everybody walks around armed to the teeth (I go to Switzerland
quite regularly and know quite a few Swiss people, none of them own guns or would carry one around), it's because it's an extremely
affluent country without a huge divide between rich and poor. To say they don't have much armed or any other crime because they are all armed is
just nonsense.
3. Guns don't kill pople, well of course they do when they're in the hands of people. If there are more guns in circualtion, then more
people will die. Look at how many shootings they have in the US from children getting hold of their parents guns?
Whenever things like this happen those who like and use guns always come up with the same old tired arguments to justify they're hobbies.
Actually I don't have a problem with guns used for shooting game, or for target shooting as long as they are well controlled. HOWEVER, guns used
for target shooting should be kept at the range, why bring them home and risk someone else getting hold of them?
And we need cars for getting around, so we weigh up the benefits against the costs. We DON'T need guns, except in a few circstances.
If you're not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room.
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BenB
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 02:33 PM |
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Guns don't kill people.
bullets do.
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tony-devon
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 02:39 PM |
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leaving guns at the range is not such a great idea in the current way of thinking
its considered more of a threat, should the range security be breached, as it could and would, then they would gain access to a whole heap of guns, in
my club alone I would hate to think of the number that would be there!
it would also make shooting at other events and venues a pain if your local club is a fair drive in the opposite direction etc
peoples reaction to events like this is no surprise, and I fully understand the negative attitude towards firearm ownership.
however when people are as unhinged as that guy, then I dont think it would have mattered if it was a plank of wood, a golf club or a carving knife,
he would have harmed someone no matter what.
heavy is good, heavy is reliable, and if it breaks, hit them with it
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Staple balls
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 02:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
2. Switzerland .... have you ever been out on a Saturday night in Switzerland? I have, and it's got to be one of the most boring places on
earth. The Swiss are not like us, or Americans, or most other people, they are on the whole MUCH more well off, much better educated, and much more
conservative. The reason they don't have a lot of gun crime isn't because everybody walks around armed to the teeth (I go to Switzerland
quite regularly and know quite a few Swiss people, none of them own guns or would carry one around), it's because it's an extremely
affluent country without a huge divide between rich and poor. To say they don't have much armed or any other crime because they are all armed is
just nonsense.
Wait, isn't Switzerland one of those places that still has conscription and IIRC also requires people in service to keep their service rifle at
home?
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Jasper
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| posted on 2/6/10 at 02:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tony-devon
however when people are as unhinged as that guy, then I dont think it would have mattered if it was a plank of wood, a golf club or a carving knife,
he would have harmed someone no matter what.
This is EXACTLY my point about gun ownership, if you do loose the plot it's SO much easier to kill lots of poeple with a gun than a blank of
wood or a golf club.
People will always loose the plot, but giving anybody access to an impliment that means they can kill lots of people very easily and quickly will
always lead to this sort of thing. I would imagine it would take a lot more to kill someone with a golf club than a single shot with a gun.
How many people do you think would have been killed at Columbine if the killed had been armed with a plank of wood or a golf club ?????
If you're not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room.
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