Look forward to the video
Anyone at Mallory today will know the answer.
893cc's of rice burner.
3 hours on track. (From rain soaked standing water to dry)
Number of times overtaken ? Once. (by a hyabusa bec)
Number of cars overtaken ? Lost count after 1st 1/2 hour.
Should be some interesting video to follow.
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can't wait to see the footage
Glad you had a good day. Sorry I could'nt get to see any of you.
Look forward to the video
Sounds like you had some fun Jon 
We will have to see whether it adds anything to the BEC/CEC debate - there are so many different factors to take into account 
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Nice one Jon - as you say, actions speak louder than words!
(but I still don't like the Fireblade!)
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green eyed monsters are a coming i can feel it
i blame the drivers!!!!
(which will have a degree of truth in it + 3 hours isn't much of an endurance, i mean, i bet that pokey little bike engine / box would never last
24 hours! :p)
You have to remember other factors too, like driver skill level................
The proof is in the pudding. (rice, that is...)
I would say driver skill and vehicle set up probably play a bigger part than what engine is has. Yes, a standard BEC will be quicker, all else being equal, than a CEC. BUT as soon as you put me in the BEC and someone who can really drive in the CEC, guess who will naff off into the distance? Same goes for set up. If one car has wobbly wheels and clown car settings, a push bike would probably win, as you're more than likely to fall off at the first corner!
Well Jon I am all there with you despite having a bit of a hiccup right at the end!
Tim wasn't passed even once all day and I was passed just twice but thats because I spun at the Esses and took those two cars back within the
very next bend!
One of the highlights of the day was taking six cars (including T70 6litre) toward the chicane. There seemed loads of cars in front of us because of
torrential rain, I looked over to Tim, noticed a wry smile in the corner of his eye and thought f**k it, I'm having these and just planted it and
my little rice burner saw the lot of 'em off........
Some other "low"lights, were:
As Tim was taking the Hairpin overtaking the Kitten round the outside, the door flung open and nearly smacked him in the face 
I thought the guy was falling as he was trying to shut it!!!
One of the absolute quality moments was when one of the NG Findhorn was in front of us at the Timing-Log Station and he pulled up too close to it and
knocked over the girl's chair with his front wheel, then when she'd righted herself he pulled acroos her and wiped out the table, chair,
notebook and timing transponder..............
Steve (and Tim)
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wobbly wheels and clown car settings,
Thats all well and good, but it doesn't go that far to explaining how we were driving round the outside of Westfields and Caterhams the whole
day...
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Originally posted by DIY Si
I would say driver skill and vehicle set up probably play a bigger part than what engine is has. Yes, a standard BEC will be quicker, all else being equal, than a CEC. BUT as soon as you put me in the BEC and someone who can really drive in the CEC, guess who will naff off into the distance? Same goes for set up. If one car has wobbly wheels and clown car settings, a push bike would probably win, as you're more than likely to fall off at the first corner!
Better get some more in
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Thats all well and good, but it doesn't go that far to explaining how we were driving round the outside of Westfields and Caterhams the whole day...
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Originally posted by DIY Si
I would say driver skill and vehicle set up probably play a bigger part than what engine is has. Yes, a standard BEC will be quicker, all else being equal, than a CEC. BUT as soon as you put me in the BEC and someone who can really drive in the CEC, guess who will naff off into the distance? Same goes for set up. If one car has wobbly wheels and clown car settings, a push bike would probably win, as you're more than likely to fall off at the first corner!
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Thats all well and good, but it doesn't go that far to explaining how we were driving round the outside of Westfields and Caterhams the whole day...
Steve, Tim, shouldn't you be in the bar just now?
PS sorry I couldn't make it...would have loved to see the BEC vs CEC argument put to bed once and for all...this is the ultimate proof!!! I
understand the 'good driver in crap car will beat bad driver in good car' arguments. But let's face it - you two were in a BEC and
i've heard that you both drive like tw*ts!
End of argument.
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Well on the day it was, so there......
Easy answer, turn up. I put my car where my mouth is. Get hacked off with people giving it "Caterham this" "Wesfeild that" "lotus other" "Cobra this" 2locosts are crap" and most of all "BECS cant hack it"
I don't have the fastest car on the planet nor claim to have, but turned up for every one to see and prepared to be shot at, and yea, I'm gonna shout about it, we took the pee. (In a BEC, you know those fragile rice burny things)
and its good to see a locost whoop the bottoms of some of those caterham owners.
Have you let Sam68 of Pistonheads fame know how badly you did yet? might be fun
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Have you let Sam68 of Pistonheads fame know how badly you did yet? might be fun
Nah - top result mate, more significantly than the boring cec vs bec stuff it proves that it's the builder and driver(s) of a car rather than the
brand name that actually matters 
Slighly off topic but who won?
Paul
One small point of course is the track.
My Big Bruvver used to whup the arses of bigger bikes around Mallory on his 400 but at Donnington he'd struggle against the 600's &
thou's.
On a bigger faster circuit yer old rice burner's gonna run out of puff!
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Slighly off topic but who won?
Paul
So, CEC guys, am I reading this right...
All the CEC were badly set up and had bad drivers?
One things for sure; It wasn't a fair fight!
adrian
hmmm , the lightest car with the lowest centre of gravity , SHOULD allways be quickest , a BEC fits into that nicely all other things being equal .
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wobbly wheels and clown car settings,
So, you've seen my car?
On a shortish track a small lightweight BEC will always beat a CEC everything else being equal - even more so in damp conditions. I don't think
there are many people who would/could argue with that.
For me the arguement for BEC/CEC is about the general usability of the cars, not about how good they are on track. If I wanted a track day / race car
I would definetly go for a BEC, BUT if I wanted a sportscar for long distances, all weathers, and general useability I personally would rather drive a
CEC. I know there are people (Jon for one) who is happy driving a BC any distance in any conditions, but for me a CEC with weather gear is the way to
go.
OK, the original post title maybe a bit controversial but enough people hinted publicly and privately that BEC's wouldnt hack it. A track and
conditions that suited BEC's ? By the time the track dried out the average speeds where in what everybody tells me is CEC territory ? There is
only one tight / slow speed corner there after all, the rest of the circuit is "power" territory ?
Anyhow, not often on locostbuilders I accept but the "locost" gets dished left right and center in other forums, there where cars there you
would expect us to be quicker than for sure but there where plenty there that we "should" not have got near if you listen to some.
So I guess my 2nd point is you can buy a few lengths of 25mm box section, you can weld it up yourself, you can set your car up in your garage with a
tape, bathroom scales, decorators laser and a plumb bob to give an end result that to be honest yesterday even though I say so myself is well capable
of punching above its weight.
Locost n proud.
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Locost n proud.
The actual results of Fridays endurance event will be the proof of how successful/unsuccessful the BEC teams were. Got to agree with Jon, the
BEC's were passing everything on track but whereas we were new to the event, some of the others have been doing these type of events for years.
You've got to bear in mind that this wasn't a race or a trackday, it was an endurance event and as such not all drivers would have been
driving their cars to their full potential in terms of speed.
No doubt the results will be interesting......
Phil
To a point, but during the damp/wet conditions before lunch when it was difficult to get 40 laps in (until they decided to give you to many back and put you over ??) surly if at no other time during the event drivers should then have been pushing for quickish times ?
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To a point, but during the damp/wet conditions before lunch when it was difficult to get 40 laps in (until they decided to give you to many back and put you over ??) surly if at no other time during the event drivers should then have been pushing for quickish times ?
But......... we was under the impression until they did start giving laps back that time lost was time lost never to be gained/given back.
In hindsight I would have personally prefer it that way, 1/2 hour lost, same for everybody ? Give you laps back that put some over and gives them
penalties yet some find themselves bang on the button ?
It was ridiculous to sort it out in that manner.
As above, time lost under red flag for one person was time lost for us all. It benefited the slower cars more which I wouldn't of had a problem
with!
Steve
what colour was the kitten? yellow by any chance?
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i was happy with the result, good day, fun, was a laugh, not taken tooooo seriously ish.
BEC's rule though.
Morning, just unloaded van and give car a quick look over........
Found a few things, we all but got through a set of front pads, a bolt as gone AWOL out the gear linkage which will explain a few missed gears, the
car is covered in oil (think it must be from the westy that threw a rod in front of us) apart from a good clean, replace the missing bolt and a set of
front pads all looks fine.
Chris you should have made us go out for that missing lap, its not like we didnt have time.
As for the organisation of the event, no one can have any complaints really, I certainly haven't, if people didnt give up there time to arrange
such events they would never happen in the 1st place there was enough for them to sort out without the weather coming along to make things even more
difficult, but I would personally suggest in future red flag lost time is just that, lost time ? Reading the regs regards safety cars etc that's
definitely the impression I had and was surprised when you came over and told us not to bother going out as we had already completed to many laps with
one car/driver still to go out and at least do his minimum required 5 laps for that hour ?
havent seen that kitten before what was in it? i cant speak about track days but i do know that on the road a tin top with 250+hp will leave my kitten
once im over 60mph but off the mark and on b roads where you rarely get above 70-80mph i have yet to be overtaken, the most surprising thing is how
much speed you carry into bends and roundabouts as i had a good ding dong with an escort cosworth who kept overtaking me on the run into newcastle
under lyme which is a series of shortish straights and roundabouts only to be out braked and overtaken on each roundabout if i had turned the nos
bottle on it would have been another matter though