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Battery to cigerette lighter adaptor
Dangle_kt - 21/10/07 at 11:20 AM

hi guys,

power lead plug thing snapped off from my sat nav the other day. means it can only be powered by 4 aa batteries now - problem is that only gives it about 15 mins use.

can you buy an adaptor which looks like 4 aa batteries, but has a lead that you can plug into the cigerette lighter to supply constant power?

i tried finding one, but i dont know much about electrics!!


stevec - 21/10/07 at 11:33 AM

I am confused.
How do you get 12v from 4aa batteries ?
Steve.


Dangle_kt - 21/10/07 at 11:37 AM

I dunno...

basically it had a plug in the bottom to allow it to be powered via a mini usb lead that plugged into the cigerrette lighter socket.

that snapped off inside the unit.

it also has a panel on the back to allow the unit to be powered by 4x aa batteries. this is now the only means i can power the unit - BUT the batteries only power the unit for about 15mins before they die. i need to use the panel on the back that holds 4xaa battereies but some how wire it up so it can be perminantly powered by the cigerette lighter.

does that make more sense now?


Dangle_kt - 21/10/07 at 11:42 AM

like this

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billynomates - 21/10/07 at 11:58 AM

My sat nav works at 5v DC. So I assume yours is similair, hence only needing 4 aa batteries.

Could you not connect the battery terminals together with wires +ve to -ve, then connect the wires from the plug in adaptor to the first and last battery terminal.

You need to make sure that the plug in lead has a transformer in it though to reduce the power down to the correct voltage.


hobbsy - 21/10/07 at 12:03 PM

Yeah it will be 5V on the mini USB as per the spec.

so 4x rechargeables = 4x1.2v = 4.8v OR
4x normal batts = 4x1.5v = 6v

You could use your existing adaptor by cutting the mini-usb plug off and wiring it to the battery connections - just use the two outer ones AND definitely check and DOUBLE CHECK the polarity with a multimeter else you might blow up your sat nav (if its not polarity protected).


Dangle_kt - 21/10/07 at 12:07 PM

could i trouble anyone for a circuit diagram of what they mean? it would really help me as i aint good at electronics. thanks!


Grimsdale - 21/10/07 at 12:09 PM

yo can get dummy AA batteries from places like maplins, and you could solder in wires to provide power, but you'ld still need to change the voltage down to 6v.


BenB - 21/10/07 at 12:46 PM

If they're rechargeable batteries then they're 1.2v each so 1.2v * 4 = 5v.

I'd use one of these

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=L17AR&DOY=14m10

set to 5v
and two dummy AA batteries (available somewhere from Maplins).

Put the two dummy batteries at either end of the battery pack

ie Bat - empty - empty - Bat

Chop the end off the regulator, use a multimeter to find out which is the +ve lead. This goes to the +ve nipple end, the negative goes to the flat battery end.


gingerprince - 21/10/07 at 12:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Dangle_kt
could i trouble anyone for a circuit diagram of what they mean? it would really help me as i aint good at electronics. thanks!


You need to determine (with a multimeter) which terminals of your battery compartment want the 6 volts. The batteries will be connected in series, with metal terminals joining adjacent batteries +/- terminals. Use a tester accross adjacent +/- to determine which ones are connected together (as per diagram below - unless you can see through gaps in the casing). From that you'll be able to determine which end-points aren't connected, and therefore which need your 6 volts.

AA Batteries
AA Batteries


Once you know the correct +/-, chop your miniusb off your old charger and solder to the correct terminals.

Disclaimer: Of course only do this once you're confident you have the correct terminals and know what/why you're soldering what to what.


tks - 21/10/07 at 01:09 PM

if you want it locost

you could just buy an LM7805

and a cigaret lighter plug.
Also i would solder in 2 caps.

then you are done for the minimum amount of money.

1 cap 100uF 10p
1 cap 10uF 10p
1 7805 60p (for 6 volts 7806)
1 cigaret lighter plug (halfords) 3pounds??

piece of cable and just solder it hard to the batterybox terminals.

Will deff work.


MkIndy7 - 21/10/07 at 03:19 PM

Can't you judst dig out the piece of connector thats stuck in, and get a new lead?


Surely that would be alot less messing about and easier than finding an alternative.

Maybe if you open up the sat-nav it'll make it easier to dig it out.


Dangle_kt - 21/10/07 at 04:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by tks
if you want it locost

you could just buy an LM7805

and a cigaret lighter plug.
Also i would solder in 2 caps.

then you are done for the minimum amount of money.

1 cap 100uF 10p
1 cap 10uF 10p
1 7805 60p (for 6 volts 7806)
1 cigaret lighter plug (halfords) 3pounds??

piece of cable and just solder it hard to the batterybox terminals.

Will deff work.


this seems a good option, as i have the cig lighter plug and can use the cable off it...but can you draw a diagram of how you would order the regulator and capasitors please?

thanks!


gingerprince - 21/10/07 at 06:57 PM

You usually get example circuit diagrams with semiconductor datasheets. See Figure 5 below: -

www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/fairchild/LM7805.pdf


tks - 21/10/07 at 07:08 PM

page 21 fig 8.

i would place the big cap on the input.
and the smaller on on the output.

that way if you play with the plug, the device wont easy resets because of lack of power.

i would also mount all the chips and crisp in the plug. it will fit if you do your best.
sow it will be then an nice install.

on the other side of the plug cable you could solder the USB lead. and just power it using the USB plugin thing. that way your device will keep a bit neathier etc.


Dangle_kt - 5/11/07 at 09:06 PM

Thanks for the help from everyone - here is an update:

Sat nav fix
Sat nav fix


It's doen and working!

I bought a multimeter, hot glue gun, soldering iron and varible voltage car charger thing.

Figured out - + polarity, voltage of batteries vs voltage from car charger, then fitted a few block connectors onto the wires, glued them in place, soldered the - and + to the - and + on the sat nav unit and job done!

It works a treat, and with the rear panel refitted you can hardly tell it isn't meant to be powered that way!

I'm well chuffed! my first atempt at anything electrical, that didn't involve calling the fire brigade!!

Bought a little project from maplin to try and improve further - though my soldering will need to be a little better for it to work.

Maplin was great, like an aladins cave of goodies, and very helpful staff! A good day all round


Macbeast - 5/11/07 at 10:22 PM

Maplin and helpful staff in the same sentence ???


Dangle_kt - 6/11/07 at 08:55 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Macbeast
Maplin and helpful staff in the same sentence ???


I had my 10 week old son with me, the car seat was heavy, so when I arrived at desk with a multimeter (that was on BOGOF deal) they went and got my free one, I didn't even ask, they mentioned it.

Pretty good if you ask me.