our local paper is trying to stop all the accidents with yound drivers and has proposed the following points
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/headlines/display.var.1307465.0.wasted_lives_key_aims.php
what do you think?
I think there are enough regulations in this country as it is.
Bit Draconian. Especially for everyone up to 25 - would make lots of people's careers almost impossible right at the time they need to build up
experience.
Wouldn't object to compulsory roadcraft lessons- in school perhaps - and a 1 year no motorway, reduced speed, reduced passenger period no bad
thing. Canadians have it since young drivers with 2 passengers have about double the accident rate of those without.
Would encourage making an advanced test more attractive also.
" The immediate loss of a driving licence if a driver is caught speeding by more than 10mph over the speed limit for the first three years after
passing your test."
Well for the first two years you are on probational which means you can only get up to 6 points then a ban.i.e. two incidents of 33 mph and you get a
ban, which I think is far more draconian
Other than the 50 mph limit I think its all OK. Having a group of cars limited on dual carrage ways to 20mph below everyone else is also dangerous.
"Advanced test for over 1100cc"
so a turbocharged 1000cc bec is okay then!!
I think any old car under 1300cc, or new car under 50hp is a liability as there is not enough power to join junctions safely (as you need very good
judgement - something you don`t have as a young driver).
Darren
Apart from that just being stupid for so many reasons why do they want us to drive around with only one person in the car? now if i want to go out to
excape (my new hangout with my mates) and 4 of us were going we could all fit into the one car under that rule we'd need to take 2 cars and need
two people to drive, so that would produce more carbon 
and for somepeole could cause then to race each other as a joke between 2 friends so thats
just seams crazy to me
just a little bit about the doubled points that would mean 1 "mistake and your back with out licence but all "your old drivers" get
away with same "mistake" 4 times. i understand you all have more driving experiance but its still the same thing.
sorry for long post
Tri
I suppose young drivers will be totally against this but to be honest I agree with all the points particularly these -
* A graduated license scheme for the first two years after passing the driving test, which would ban people under 25 from driving over 50mph, on the
motorway or having more than one passenger under 25 in the car with them at any time.
* The display of P-plates on a driver's car for the first two years after they pass their test.
Don't worry about it, it's just an inflamatory piece designed to sell papers by appealing to some and irritating others.
<rant>
It's all very well to agree with the points made but do we really want to have laws and regulations for absolutely everything? this nanny state
has gone completely power mad and want to regulate and control every aspect of our lives. We are already suffering more regulation and survielance
than any other country in the world! a free country my arse!
If it wasn't for family commitments I would have abandoned this particular sinking ship a long while ago.......
</rant>
what if you pass your test after your 25? does it mean you can drive over 50? unlike anyone under 25?
i still have to pass my driving test, though i like to think i have reasonable judgement that stems from cycling tho a busy city, is amazing how
people just see right though you, or get mad if you hold them up for a few secs despite it being rush hour anyway.
i would do the advanced stuff when i pass as its worthwhile if only for the reduced insurance!
Simple for that do this -
* The display of P-plates on a driver's car for the first two years after they pass their test, during this time they will be banned from driving
over 50mph or on the motorway.
plus if they do their advanced driving course they get a years reduction of the above rule.
60 years ago this dictator tried to take over the world
we were having none of it
60 years later.....
Dont worry England weve got plenty of dictators in charge but there creeping things in slowly so we dont make a big fuss.
Daft thing is there only making laws and lives more awkward for the good general law abiding people
2 year ban for 10mph over the speed limit??
[Edited on 5/4/07 by zxrlocost]
Did you listen to radio one this morning? They were wanting triple deck motorways and the upper level had a minimum of 100mph 
where we drive
inflatable cars and even the sides of the roads where inflatable for safety of course. Cool 
[Edited on 5/4/07 by Mr Whippy]
fair point i was only being picky really, in my experience of young drivers all my friends at college and uni are pretty careful, expecially so if
they get caught by a speed camera so that they only had one chance left.
my housemate wasn't so careful, he was abit reckless at times, like being with him when doing 130 on the M27. since he got caught going 86 which
was lucky for him and only resulted in a fine, he has been alot more careful too.
it is only the minority that are right idiots.
the dispalying "p" plates for a set ammount of time has been around for a while on the isle of man, they have to display for a year, but
they also start driving at 16, reduce the age to 16 and put plate on and im happy but it dont think its a good idea, plates yes but is a piece of card
on the back gonna stop someone driving like a tw*t? hardly....
they wont be able to do the 2 year ban for under 25 under the age discrimination act, if you put it into a different context and exaggerate it a bit
(i love to do this ) it would be like saying everyone over 40 gets a 5 year sentence for murder but everyone under 40 gets life.....same idea,
punishing people for being young again, gets a bit boring after a while....
i got a better idea, (one that might not go down too well...) shoot anyone who decides to drive a modified nova or a modified corsa or a modified
saxo then the roads will be much safer... ( sorry to anyone who drives them cars but 90% of them i see drive like tw*ts)
i love going off on a rant....
Matt
As everyone knows, drivers driving slowly are often as dangerous as those driving to fast... So the 50mph rule would cause people to overtake
dangerously, and probably increase the number of accidents! It will also introduce a hierachy of drivers, and make those allowed to go over 50 feel
superior to us, again probably not a good thing.
Driving from York to Sheffield in a car that would only do 50 yesterday was the scariest drive I have done in a long time.
quote:
i got a better idea, (one that might not go down too well...) shoot anyone who decides to drive a modified nova or a modified corsa or a modified saxo then the roads will be much safer... ( sorry to anyone who drives them cars but 90% of them i see drive like tw*ts)
quote:
when I started reading this I thought oh god here's 'The Voice Of Reason'...
But you clearly haven't thought this through, bullets cost money but hangings free
[Edited on 5/4/07 by Mr Whippy]
jimgiblett - 5/4/07 at 11:39 AM3 points for wearing any form of headwear (with the obvious religious exceptions) in a car with a roof or roof up.
Seriously though - the waste of young human life is tragic. As a farther of two boys I am not looking forward to when they will be out driving with their mates.
I'd have thought a car full of kids with showing off and passenger encouragement would be more a risk than two separate cars.
- Jim
Mr Whippy - 5/4/07 at 11:50 AMquote:
Originally posted by jimgiblett
3 points for wearing any form of headwear (with the obvious religious exceptions) in a car with a roof or roof up.
quote:
that's the queen gona get points now
What is with these old fart caps the chav's are wearing, don't they see how stupid they look?? It's like the bash st kids, or one in particular...must be their role model
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jimgiblett - 5/4/07 at 12:07 PMquote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
that's the queen gona get points now
Only if she wears one of her crowns or tiarras (sp?) when driving the horsebox
DIY Si - 5/4/07 at 12:27 PMAs someone under 25, I really can't see the point of most of that. I can see how a graduated power/engien size thing woudl work, but the way that works under 25 all I can drive is basically a metro. Do any manufacturers make <1100cc cars that aren't dangerously slow? Also, the day I turn 25, havign driven no faster than 50 mph for the last 8 !!!!! years I can now go out and buy a skyline. Or any fast car I like, without any of the natural progression of going up in car size/power etc as insurance and funds allow. Also, this would be illegal due to the handy age discrimination act. If they want to apply restrictions to young drivers, why not to all the old folk who drive at 35 everywhere? They can be far more dangerous than young drivers.
If the stagered things up to 21, or for the first 3-4 years of drivign then that would be a more sensible way. Just because you're young doesn't mean you're a bad driver, just as being older doesn't make you any better, as my Mum's driving scares the poo out of me!
Mr Whippy - 5/4/07 at 12:50 PMI think they should ban everyone who isn't 34 and that the age limit goes up one year each year.
Oh an you also must have blue eye's and be a bloke...and own a nissan. That will surely cut the deaths on the road, smart
DIY Si - 5/4/07 at 01:21 PMWell, I've got blue eyes and am a bloke, so I'm half way there! Just not quite as old as you are!
Aboardman - 5/4/07 at 01:38 PMbut just think of the number of bec kitcars that could be sold to under 25's
less than 1.1 ltr.
only 2 seats.
not much use on a motorway.
Mr Whippy - 5/4/07 at 01:40 PMquote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
Well, I've got blue eyes and am a bloke, so I'm half way there! Just not quite as old as you are!
don't feel so bad, nobody's perfect...except me that is
mcerd1 - 5/4/07 at 01:58 PMquote:
Originally posted by turbodisplay
"Advanced test for over 1100cc"
so a turbocharged 1000cc bec is okay then!!
I think any old car under 1300cc, or new car under 50hp is a liability as there is not enough power to join junctions safely (as you need very good judgement - something you don`t have as a young driver).
Darren
Both cars I've owned since I passed my test have been under 1300cc and old
First a 1979 MkI Fiesta (730kg with a 1117cc xflow/ valencia = 52bhp)
and now a 1992 Pug 106 (760kg with a954cc carb'd TU9 = 45ps)
both cars are easily capable of pulling out from a junction if you give them a bit of your right foot
but that said, I can see how you might have a problem in a 1300cc sierra
btw - I'm only just 25 now (so its not like they were new cars when I got them)
[Edited on 5/4/07 by mcerd1]
Mr Whippy - 5/4/07 at 02:17 PMI had one of these
1979 MkI Fiesta (730kg with a 1117cc xflow/ valencia = 52bhp)
Once went flying down a hill over taking about 5 cars in one go and then all of a sudden the car felt like it was going to flip over! when I looked over at the speedo it was off the gauge!!!!
mcerd1 - 6/4/07 at 07:25 AMquote:
Originally posted by Mr WhippyOnce went flying down a hill over taking about 5 cars in one go and then all of a sudden the car felt like it was going to flip over! when I looked over at the speedo it was off the gauge!!!!
Well the gauge goes to 95mph so....
Mr Whippy - 6/4/07 at 07:55 AMyes I was a mad loon when I first got my licence, a very good example of someone who should have not been on the road.
trogdor - 6/4/07 at 07:59 AMyeah loads of peeps when they are 17 are like that, especially guys
most of my friends were ok, as mentioned earlier but have just remembered one guy who made me taken the wheel of his orion, (i was sat next to him) and then proceeded to open the door and spit out!
we were doing about 40 on an A road at the time!
907 - 6/4/07 at 08:15 AMThere are good and bad in all walks of life,
and it's the same with drivers, young or old.
There is no point in introducing new laws when the police haven't the manpower to enforce them.
They don't enforce the laws we have already so what's the point of new ones?
I see twats on the road every day of the week, young / old, male / female, but do I ever see a copper? No.
Don't persecute all because of the few, and bobbies on the beat is the only way.
We can afford wars, and the Olympics, but can't afford hospitals and police.
Sorry, rant over.
Paul G
mcerd1 - 6/4/07 at 10:09 AMquote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
yes I was a mad loon when I first got my licence, a very good example of someone who should have not been on the road.
Well I only know the gauge goes to 95 because I had mine well passed there a couple of times ! (not on the road of course officer)
not bad for a 23 year old car with 4 gears and a top speed of 89 (according to the book)
[Edited on 6/4/07 by mcerd1]
