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Why didn't he try opening the door first!?
And WTF is that clown doing jumping on the bonnet of a car that (as far as he can work out) has already failed to stop!? Suicidal!?
Crazy...
Linky
As usual, this is a very small part of a larger story, the video without the rest of the information would cause most people to jump to the wrong
conclusion.
He was initially pulled for no seatbelt, an illegal number plate and illegally tinted windows but refused to cooperate and then made off whilst the
police were dealing with him. He refused to pull over for 8 miles and finally only did so when they police put a stinger down.
The story is in the tabloids and the driver is now playing the "confused, frail old man" card, but the fact that he has previous form for
similar behaviour means he got what he deserved IMO.
too right - playing gangster with tints, private plate and rangie and then cry foul when gets treated like one !!
Did anyone say that he should have been allowed to drive away, or escape punishment... ??? IMHO he should not be allowed back on the road!
However...
I'm just commenting on the red-mist fueled attack on the car window. The window had illegal tints and with the speed he approached, there's
no way the Officer could see if the door had been locked or not! Why didn't he just try opening the door first!? Who knows... it may have
opened!
And then there's the brain-donor jumping on top of the bonnet... why!? Maybe he should just have used his head as a wedge under the wheel to
stop it driving away! It would have been just as safe a 'tactic'!
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Originally posted by scootz
I'm just commenting on the red-mist fueled attack on the car window. The window had illegal tints and with the speed he approached, there's no way the Officer could see if the door had been locked or not! Why didn't he just try opening the door first!? Who knows... it may have opened!
And then there's the brain-donor jumping on top of the bonnet... why!? Maybe he should just have used his head as a wedge under the wheel to stop it driving away! It would have been just as safe a 'tactic'!
Only as far as the original matter has already been put through the Courts... the truth told and the offender duly convicted. No problems there!
The driver didn't make the complaint about the 'tactics' (or lack thereof)... it was the Police themselves who referred it to the PCC
as they were not best pleased at the way things were (not) conducted at the scene!
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
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Originally posted by scootz
I'm just commenting on the red-mist fueled attack on the car window. The window had illegal tints and with the speed he approached, there's no way the Officer could see if the door had been locked or not! Why didn't he just try opening the door first!? Who knows... it may have opened!
And then there's the brain-donor jumping on top of the bonnet... why!? Maybe he should just have used his head as a wedge under the wheel to stop it driving away! It would have been just as safe a 'tactic'!
Clearly you are privy to the events that took place prior to the filming, so I shall say no more.
It was still a completely over the top reaction by the police, fair enough if he had been viloently reisting resist, but it wasnt even a high speed
chase and he stopped calmly. They merely needed to approach the car with caution.
Its just the UK police trying some US style 'do exactly what we say or we wont hold back', which just doesnt sit well in this country (and
shouldnt).
I dont doubt that he should have had the book thrown at him for his actions, but there was no need for that much physical abuse.
It also mentions that 2 officers were suspended, so their must have been an investigation that also came to the conclustion they went too far.
who pays for the damage to the car ?
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Originally posted by graememk
who pays for the damage to the car ?
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Originally posted by Richard Quinn
Eh? I thought Scootz was only referring to the fact that maybe it would've been worth checking the door first before expending a lot of effort breaking the window.
As for the guy jumping on the bonnet - It's already been said that the guy has already driven off once so I would agree with Scootz that it really doesn't seem to be the most sensible place to be.
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
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Originally posted by scootz
I'm just commenting on the red-mist fueled attack on the car window. The window had illegal tints and with the speed he approached, there's no way the Officer could see if the door had been locked or not! Why didn't he just try opening the door first!? Who knows... it may have opened!
And then there's the brain-donor jumping on top of the bonnet... why!? Maybe he should just have used his head as a wedge under the wheel to stop it driving away! It would have been just as safe a 'tactic'!
Clearly you are privy to the events that took place prior to the filming, so I shall say no more.
Its not like he was even causing a danger to public, the ONLY reason the police acted as they did is beacuse they were annoyed he didnt 'respect
their authoriteee'
Sadly its scenes like that loose any credabilty the police have.
you know what, I dont remember seeing mister grumpy around here recently. Anyone know him, is he alright?
I am with the Police,
put yourself in the police officers shoes the car failed to stop and the car reg details come up with previous the thing could quite easilly drive
over the officer and his car
edited to add the Range rover could eassily drive through / field / wall / house . I have seen a landy V8 shove an in gear car with hand brake on
out of the way with ease
how do you know that the door has not been tried at an earlier point in time.
it is a pimped range rover not a micra
OK police heavy handed but what do you expect after driveing away from a police officer and not stopping for 8 miles !!
[Edited on 6/8/10 by Agriv8]
I do not know what some of you lot are ranting over
He did not stop for the police, and probably could not see them through the blacked out windows anyway
the police do not know what he is up to, despite previosly pulling him over, i do agree that the guy jumping on the bonnet was a bit futile, but the
rest, smashing windows and dragging the nutter out, i fully agree with
did he think he was beyond the law ??
steve
seems only the last 2 posts agree with the police !
should nonviolently and victimlessly breaking the law result in aggression, property damage and assault?
The guy should be bought to account for breaking the law (even though I'm dubious whether those kind of laws should be there in the first place),
but its the responsibility of the police to behave in a levelheaded and responsible manner.
Should add that I'm a libertarian so this kind of thing is a big nono in my moral handbook.
[Edited on 6/8/10 by cd.thomson]
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Originally posted by cd.thomson
you know what, I dont remember seeing mister grumpy around here recently. Anyone know him, is he alright?
haha! that put a smile on my face, cheers liam.
Whilst the 'bonnet boy' was OTT, the guy as already said was stopped and then decided to make his own move and drive off. And I'm sorry, stroke victim or not, he didn't look very 'frail' to me!
at the risk of being told i'm not making a constructive comment.
i'm a police man hear me
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAA.
smashing of windscreen is quite common on failure to stop cases i think (from what i've seen on road wars )
smashig the windscreen stops the driver seeing where he's going if he takes off again.
lets face it, he's driven away from police (it would have been quite clear they weren't finished with him) he failed to stop when they
chased his with lights and sirens (why would they give him a police escort?!) he knows he's racked up multiple driving offences, and come up with
crap excuses for the whole lot.
he deserved everything he got.
its the rage that worries me though, its exactly that kind of RAA i'm gonna get you you f*******, attitude that found an innocent corner shop
owner dead on the pavement in london. These were youngish policeman who were pumped up at the thought of "getting him" for daring to
disobey.
a bit of social disobedience does the world some good now and again, mr tv license man and his 5 year arguement is my case in point. 
Disgusting behaviour by the police. It wouldn't have happened in America. They'd have just shot the driver.
they are fairly standard tactics, the screaming / smashing windows is a shock tactic, stops them trying to drive off etc.
they did try the door after the first hit.
they were also probably aware the doors would be locked, all high end and now quite a few lower end cars lock when you drive off and only open when
you pull the handle from the inside.
but what does he expect? failiure to stop isnt going to end well
[Edited on 6/8/10 by dan__wright]
This isn't specifically aimed at you dan, more the sentiment of the thread.
I don't believe people think that this bloke lost all his rights as soon as he drove off. As I've said it was a nonviolent and victimless
act.
The police response should have been proportionate.
If someone knocks over my drink, they're in the wrong but I don't follow up with a right hook. I'd deal with it in a measured way.
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Originally posted by cd.thomson
This isn't specifically aimed at you dan, more the sentiment of the thread.
I don't believe people think that this bloke lost all his rights as soon as he drove off. As I've said it was a nonviolent and victimless act.
The police response should have been proportionate.
If someone knocks over my drink, they're in the wrong but I don't follow up with a right hook. I'd deal with it in a measured way.
If the window had broken on the first hit, would we be talking about the same "rage"?................no we wouldn't.
These guys make an assesment of the scene as they find it with the what they have and what they know. Geting the driver out or disabling the vehicle
stops the "aged and fragile" old tw@t driving over people as he tries to escape again. 3 tons of blinged pimp mobile makes a mess. If he
has previous and gets to drive off again, at what point does he eventually stop?
What Stavros Flatly is doing on the bonnet is anyones guess although that might be the only window that they can see through.
Steve
Bit of to-ing and fro-ing going on in this thread, so just to be clear... I'm not all that bothered about how shocked or upset the bloke in the
RR was (or claims to have been).
What I'm saying is that the two Policemen made an ass of themselves! It is NEVER safe to stand in front of or behind a vehicle that has
failed-to-stop... to jump on the bonnet is just plain suicidal! It cannot be defended and I'm sure he will be getting the pee ripped out of him
by his mates for it!
There's a suggestion that Mr Angry did try to open the door... no he didn't - it was a flat hand against the door panel to gain balance and
produce greater force!
I appreciate that 'aggression' is a legitimate tactic when trying to gain control of a situation, particularly 'hard-stops' (a
pre-planned operation to take a moving car out where the occupants are expected to be armed and/or dangerous). But just because you occasionally see
it on programmes like 'Police Camera Action' does not make it the norm!
My own personal ethos for dealing with confrontation is to start with the lowest-level of engagement that you possibly can, then ratchet it up from
there. Quickly if needs be, and very occasionally to deadly levels, but begin at the top and you have nowhere else to go! What was this Officer
going to do if he couldn't batter his way through the window (it happens... a lot!). Start wailing and banging his head on the floor like a
deranged-toddler until the driver got out and gave him what he wanted!?
This was a classic example of 'red-mist'. Humans are animals and we all get excited by the 'chase'! Police Officers are well
warned about it and expected to keep it in check. The circumstances of this fail-to-stop were not such that you would expect there to have been such
a flow of adrenaline... perhaps Baton-Boy was fairly young in service, or is just a naturally angry-man! Either way, IMHO they made asses of
themselves and have brought the Police Service into disrepute.
They need a counseling session!
Of course I could be wrong... I frequently am!
The bloke on the bonnet is plain stupid, but the smashing the side window on failure to stops is as far as I know standard practice.
Other than the PC on the bonnet I dont see anything particular heavy handed there....
Would you be saying the same if it had been a 20something they had pulled from the car?
... all I'm suggesting is that he just might have thought to try opening the door first! Who knows... it might even have opened!
If it didn't then maybe shout that you are about to cave in the window... and if he won't open it, then bash away!
That said, if he's uncooperative or violent (as many are following a 'fail-to-stop' incident) then what are you going to do next once
the window is broken!? You're not going to reach in to grab keys or try and open the door. That's another no-no... there have been a
number of Officers killed trying to do this whereby the driver took off dragging them down the road!
i would normally agree and suggest a boot in the teeth as he fell, but it was hardly a skin of the teeth chase, was it?! Fair doo's, had it been backwards round roundabouts, at 100mph, with a few collisions along the way, i'd join the queue to put the boot in. But that was a 30mph chase! An appropriate level of retribution would probably have been nothing more than slamming his door harder than he liked, not smashing the car up. Banning and fining him in court would have been plenty enough.
He could have been a farmer, with a shotgun.. Police do get shot at..
I'm not sure I'd want to take the risk, if I ever arrested anyone they'd be face down with me pinning them down so thet can't do
anything.
The bloke in the Range Rover with the blacked out windows and stupid numer plates has previous.
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