DarrenW
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 12:52 PM |
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Originally posted by flak monkey
Got it today...
Nice and comfy, well made and has a removeable lining as well.
That'll do me. Will get its first proper try out on Saturday, off out for a blast in our Formula SAE car 
David
PS Before anyone says anything, I know tinted visors are illegal for road use, but I couldnt resist 
Very interesting comment Flaklad. Are they illegal for use in cars??????? i had this discussion with bike shop. They concluded that although it is a
grey area (pardon the pun!) they may be OK for car use. You can wear sunglasses to drive in. You can also wear no eye protection in a car if you want.
Law states on bikes that the first defence barrier for eyes has to be certain BS std, apparently most coloured visors dont comply and hence are not
legal, im not sure therefore if the tint has anything to do with it.
I have no idea of the correct law in this respect, only going off what i was told but interesting debate nevertheless.
My local shop is selling the NV800 jobby at £90 - 110 depending on colour scheme. Got yourself a bargain there. (They also do some from £40).
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flak monkey
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 01:09 PM |
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All the info that I could find was on bike use, and they all say that tinted visors are illegal for use on the road in the UK. The visor I got was a
proper Nitro one and complies with all the BS impact testing.
No idea on car use. But as you say, you are allowed to wear sunglasses, so why not tinted visors? There is no requirement for head protection in
open-topped cars, so maybe the rule doesnt apply. That would be my argument if stopped for wearing a tinted visor. But obiviously its a bit of a grey
area...
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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RichieC
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 01:21 PM |
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To be compliant with the law, a bike visor has to meet a BS (BS 4110) and also allow a certain amount of light through it (I think its about the 50%
mark). Some tinted visors are road legal, mirrored or black are not.
Sunglasses are not illegal when riding a bike if they allow more than about 20% through, same applies to visor inserts. Quite why anyone would want
to ride with glasses on out of choice is beyond me, Id rather have nothing in such close proximity to my eyes which could end up right in there in
even the smallest of accidents.
Im not entirely sure the legality of wearing a black visor in a car. I certainly intend to, and I suppose if senor plod has a go, you can always take
the lid off and continue on your merry little way. The chances of the average bobby knowing the law on this one is slim anyway (not meant as a slur
on those who protect and serve).
If your concerned, either get a tinted, road legal one, carry the clear legal one with you to change or use a removable visor tint which sticks on the
inside and can be removed in seconds.
As for the debate of good vs cheap. I see both sides of the argument. If its intended as nothing more than to stop debris smacking you in the face
at motorway speeds, then any helmet will do. If however you want more and you envisage a time when your heed may contact another part of the car,
then a more expensive version would be justified. For me, in the past I have had nothing but Arai on the bike and Peltor/Sparco in the car. I did
that as my heads squishy insides are fairly useful from time to time and I couldnt put a price on it.
Another option, if I was intending to spend circa £400 on an Arai, Id rather get one which I can use in motorsport, as the Arai/Shoei bike lids dont
comply with new blue book regs. If you have no intention of ever competing, then that option isnt for you.
However, I see nothing wrong with getting a middle of the road (Id personally avoid cheap polycarb lids having seen 2 of them crack clean in half down
the seam) helmet for around the £100 mark. There are hundreds of them around which are possibly end of line or last years models. My local bike
dealer does Suomy Gunwinds for 99 quid in a variety of colours and sizes, their only crime to mean theyre sold a 1/3 of the RRP is they are out of
date models/colours.
Another case of horses for courses, but I think a dash of reality and risk assesment comes into it,
Cheers
Richie
[Edited on 18/1/06 by RichieC]
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iank
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 01:30 PM |
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Is it just a style thing, or are you after glare reduction?
If just glare why not have a clear visor and wear sunglasses? While I've had some limited success discussing why I hadn't broken the law
(with a dog handler FWIW  ) I'd persoanally prefer to avoid the hassle in the first place.
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RichieC
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 01:36 PM |
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Its to scare old ladies, nothing I think works better than a simpson bandit and black visor 
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flak monkey
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 01:39 PM |
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FWIW The Nitro helmet I got is Fibreglass, not polycarb. Its covered in stickers around the back, ACU (BMS), ECER etc. Weight its 1540g according to
the sticker on the back.
As for the black visor, its more a style thing I guess, but it should be good for glare reduction in the summer as well. I wear glasses anyway, and
somewhere I have a pair of prescription sunglasses, though they are a bit out of date now! I have got a clear visor as well, as all helmets are
supplied with clear ones in the UK, not with tinted/mirrored etc.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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RichieC
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 01:53 PM |
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Sorry mate, I was meaning polycarb lids in general, not yours. A mate has a Nitro for arsing about on our mini motos and it seems fine.
Rich
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Triton
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| posted on 19/1/06 at 08:25 AM |
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Totally agree.....
white Simpson bandit with black visor.
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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Triton
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| posted on 19/1/06 at 08:27 AM |
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Ever tried taking sunglasses off while moving?....whooosh gone! Black visor is the best bet unless it's dark that is, then a clear one is a good
idea if you like seeing where you are going
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 19/1/06 at 08:31 AM |
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You could always get a Caberg helmet - most come with a built-in secondary dark visor that's lowered by pulling a lever on the side. Very
convenient. You can get a double-glazed clear visor to go with it, as well.
Trouble is - they're just a wee bit more than £50.
David
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flak monkey
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| posted on 25/1/06 at 05:04 PM |
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Helmets being put to good use. Nice and comfy and doesn't even steam up a bit. (Was a little chilly out on Saturday (see pic)!) Highly
recommended by me anyway
David
 
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Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Alan B
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| posted on 25/1/06 at 10:07 PM |
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Only slightly relevant, and probably even less interesting, but..... I had heard that one of the main differences between bike and car helmets was the
fact that the car lining/insides had to be more fire retardant than bike one.....makes sense I guess...
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dnmalc
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| posted on 26/1/06 at 09:41 PM |
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Not covered so far in this thread is the noise factor haveing used Bell helmets in the past which were superb for wind noise I bought a AGV helmet
last year (they must be good Ago used to wear one) only to find the noise from the visor is appalling. As you don't find this out until its too
late to change it. I would urge your to find somebody with the model you like and ask them about wind noise.
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