sdenne
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| posted on 15/7/20 at 04:55 PM |
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Sylva or STM Phoenix?
Hello,
I am from Germany and I recently bought a Phoenix 2001 - I will get the car at the end of July so I only have these pictures.
I would like to know if it is a Sylva or STM car. The VIN starts with BFC...
 
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SPYDER
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| posted on 15/7/20 at 07:42 PM |
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The badge would suggest that it is a Sylva.
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sdenne
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| posted on 15/7/20 at 07:45 PM |
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Hello Spyder,
thank you for the answer but the picture is not good enough that you can see that it is a Lotus badge.
Stefan
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sdenne
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| posted on 15/7/20 at 07:50 PM |
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Hello Spyder again,
your chassis is made of round tubes, mine is made of square tubes - could this be a hint that it is a Sylva?
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SPYDER
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| posted on 15/7/20 at 08:22 PM |
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My car is a 2005 round tube chassis designed by STM. I don't know exactly when STM bought the Phoenix from Sylva but i think it was 2001. That
likely means that your car could be from either manufacturer. It should tell you on the paperwork when you get it.
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 15/7/20 at 10:03 PM |
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my sylva fury is square tube if that helps at all - looks identical under the bonnet to yours.
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skippad
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| posted on 17/7/20 at 08:32 AM |
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I was building an STM Phoenix in 2007/8
The only difference i can see on photos are the rocker arms ...STM has strengthener bar across top of rocker arms
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adithorp
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| posted on 17/7/20 at 12:19 PM |
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I thought STM made square tube chassis before introducing the round tube version but I could be wrong.
Norfolkluegojnr, though the JP chassis are simlar in many ways the Fury and Phoenix/Striker vary in the front suspension. Fury rocker is above the
chassis and under on Phoenix/Strikers. The Phoenix/Striker are also narrower in the cockpit.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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jeffw
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| posted on 19/7/20 at 07:56 AM |
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Highly unlikely to be a Sylva with round tube chassis. Does the chassis plate not give you a clue ?
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adithorp
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| posted on 19/7/20 at 05:11 PM |
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Jeff, the OP's car is square tube chassis. Question is did STM make a square tube. My recollection is they did both but if not that'd seal
it as a Sylva.
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Originally posted by sdenne
Hello Spyder again,
your chassis is made of round tubes, mine is made of square tubes - could this be a hint that it is a Sylva?
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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jeffw
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| posted on 19/7/20 at 09:10 PM |
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Sorry, wrong end of the stick. I think they did but the hint will be the chassis plate
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MikeR
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| posted on 19/7/20 at 11:27 PM |
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I thought the big thing with the STM chassis was it entirely laser cut round tube.
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yogibear1969
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| posted on 26/7/20 at 08:40 PM |
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quote:
[The VIN starts with BFC...
Hi,
VIN starting BFC is very strange, I'd like to see what the Chassis plate says. What is it registered as?
Edd
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sdenne
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| posted on 26/7/20 at 09:01 PM |
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Hello,
I will let you know - I will get the car on tuesday.
In Germany some of these cars are registered as Lotuses, Westfields, etc. with older first registration due to the emissions regulations.
sdenne
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sdenne
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| posted on 7/8/20 at 06:43 PM |
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Hello,
the Phoenix has arrived - but no clues about Sylva or Stuart Taylor.
The registration is for a Bond Equipe, no problem for me because I want to use it on track.
That was a common method back in the 2000s to get such a beautiful car on german roads but it’s not 100% legal.
 
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procomp
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| posted on 7/8/20 at 10:04 PM |
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Hi. That is a Sylva chassis. The STM chassis where a little more developed in a few areas, only a few stm square tube chassis where made before switch
to round tube as mentioned.
Ill forward pictures to Ian for conformation.
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procomp
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| posted on 8/8/20 at 07:59 AM |
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Conformation from Ian and the biggest give away is, all STM chassis had floor mounted pedals. So definitely a Sylva.
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sdenne
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| posted on 8/8/20 at 02:29 PM |
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Hello Procomp,
thank you very much for the information!
sdenne
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procomp
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| posted on 9/8/20 at 10:04 PM |
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Hi. Glad to help. 👍
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