Jamesc
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 10:18 AM |
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Mental..
I'm sure some of you have seen this for sale, but it looks mental!
I wonder how it would handle and what the total weight would be?
Tiger kit car
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MP3C
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 11:02 AM |
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It is basically this
Weight 550kg and 0 - 60 in 2.9 seconds.
Pretty mental. The finished car was on eBay about a year ago - I think for around 15k if I remember correctly.
Matt
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Jamesc
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 11:14 AM |
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I was tempted, but it would be a lot of work getting everything running in sync and making it road legal..
Not a bad price though!
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CosKev3
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 12:46 PM |
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Like that 
Fingers crossed someone on here buys it and builds it.
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motorcycle_mayhem
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 02:05 PM |
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It is fundamentally different from the Z100 referred to above - it's 4WD.
The Z100 had a Z Cars transfer box to the rear wheels. Had great potential on the competition scene, but it never seemed to appear to deliver
(that's my opinion only of course). Devastating is a straightline 0-100-0. Mind blowing thing.
This must be quite a rare car, love the Sierra front diff. I'm thinking quite heavy, room for some modernisation, particularly in the engine
department. Would take a lot of work to get it the way I'd want it, but again, that's my personal perspective, worth nothing to anyone.
One helluva project :-)
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wylliezx9r
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 04:16 PM |
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Love the way the front end has been done very clever.
In terms of weight it would be standard bec (5oo kg ish) + extra engine + extra diff + extra exhaust + drive shafts. But it would have around 300 bhp
and 4 wheel drive, I don't think much would touch it.
If I had the space and it was priced more around 3K I'd have a crack at it.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best
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CosKev3
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 05:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by motorcycle_mayhem
It is fundamentally different from the Z100 referred to above - it's 4WD.
The Z100 had a Z Cars transfer box to the rear wheels. Had great potential on the competition scene, but it never seemed to appear to deliver
(that's my opinion only of course). Devastating is a straightline 0-100-0. Mind blowing thing.
This must be quite a rare car, love the Sierra front diff. I'm thinking quite heavy, room for some modernisation, particularly in the engine
department. Would take a lot of work to get it the way I'd want it, but again, that's my personal perspective, worth nothing to anyone.
One helluva project :-)
The fastest and last Z100 was twin gsxr engines,4 wheel drive.
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Slimy38
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 05:58 PM |
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Didn't Tiff Needel blow one of these up due to sync issues? Maybe one of the earlier 2WD Z100's?
edit: yep!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phQfA5-DL1I
I wonder how emissions would be calculated... Would they test each engine on it's own, or combine the values to get a 'car'
value?
[Edited on 22/1/15 by Slimy38]
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rdodger
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 06:43 PM |
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Why use 2x rear diff? Surely it would be better to use a front diff off a 4x4?
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wylliezx9r
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 07:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rdodger
Why use 2x rear diff? Surely it would be better to use a front diff off a 4x4?
Yes but the way the engine is mounted wouldn't it turn the wheels the wrong way ? Could it cope with the power ?
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 08:03 PM |
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I was pondering something like this the other day, when someone mentioned that bike engine that was button operated gear changes. That would be the
perfect way to keep them both in the correct gear. Plus I *think* that slipper clutches would prevent over-revs anyway. I think you'd struggle
to stop the front wheels spinning.
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JacksAvon
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 08:08 PM |
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From memory,
Update.
Tiger have no knowledge of making this particular car
the bike expertise would have been supplied by Chris Allison
the record breaking car was cut up
the last twin engined car sold by Tiger was a Z100, sold to a lottery winners some years ago, the same car was on ebay last year.
With regard to the competitiveness of the Z100 and Z100WR.
Really these were interest pieces.
With series/championship regulations as they were/are, there was really nowhere for them to run.
Even Sprint and Hillclimb reg's did them no favours.
Both cars were blisteringly quick at the time.
Currently, the only place you could possibly run this compatitively is BARC's North West Sports and Saloons
I would love to see that
[Edited on 22/1/15 by JacksAvon]
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rdodger
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 08:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by wylliezx9r
quote:
Originally posted by rdodger
Why use 2x rear diff? Surely it would be better to use a front diff off a 4x4?
Yes but the way the engine is mounted wouldn't it turn the wheels the wrong way ? Could it cope with the power ?
Would the front diff run upside down?
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Jamesc
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 09:43 PM |
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Anyone remotely tempted?
Would be awesome to see it on here and get finished. If I wasn't half way through a build, I'd consider it... Unless anyone wants to
finish off mine? 
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 09:44 PM |
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Surely running the front diff backwards will shorten it's life significantly ?
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dave_424
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| posted on 22/1/15 at 11:39 PM |
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The front diff runs through the sump of the engine doesn't it so some serious modifications would be needed to get suitable shaft outputs
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Nickp
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| posted on 23/1/15 at 05:17 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
Surely running the front diff backwards will shorten it's life significantly ?
Isn't it upside down not running backwards? Not sure if that would affect its life span with oil level etc
I reckon this would spin its front wheels something cronic and understeer too if the front engine wasn't kept in check. Maybe some sort of rev
limiter to pin the front engine back to the rear engines revs or just above might help?
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 23/1/15 at 07:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dave_424
The front diff runs through the sump of the engine doesn't it so some serious modifications would be needed to get suitable shaft outputs
No, its in front of the engine, direct drive.
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 23/1/15 at 07:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Nickp
Isn't it upside down not running backwards? Not sure if that would affect its life span with oil level etc
I reckon this would spin its front wheels something cronic and understeer too if the front engine wasn't kept in check. Maybe some sort of rev
limiter to pin the front engine back to the rear engines revs or just above might help?
Yes your right, I see it now... the front engine is also pointing forwards and direct driving the diff. Not sure how you'd ever get that to
synchronise properly??
I suppose if you blocked up the breather and refitted it on top, then were very careful of the oil level inside. Then guess it might be ok.
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wylliezx9r
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| posted on 23/1/15 at 10:27 AM |
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The way the car is set up 50% of power is going to the front and 50 % to the back, I cant see any issue or am I missing something ? And the torque is
piddly.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best
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dave_424
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| posted on 23/1/15 at 10:35 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
quote:
Originally posted by dave_424
The front diff runs through the sump of the engine doesn't it so some serious modifications would be needed to get suitable shaft outputs
No, its in front of the engine, direct drive.
I meant if you wanted to change it for the front diff from a sierra, that I believe runs through the sump does it not?
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 23/1/15 at 10:39 AM |
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Yes it does in the sierra, I'm assuming they went this way as the front diff wouldn't work.... who knows?
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Ugg10
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| posted on 23/1/15 at 11:04 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
quote:
Originally posted by Nickp
Isn't it upside down not running backwards? Not sure if that would affect its life span with oil level etc
I reckon this would spin its front wheels something cronic and understeer too if the front engine wasn't kept in check. Maybe some sort of rev
limiter to pin the front engine back to the rear engines revs or just above might help?
Yes your right, I see it now... the front engine is also pointing forwards and direct driving the diff. Not sure how you'd ever get that to
synchronise properly??
I suppose if you blocked up the breather and refitted it on top, then were very careful of the oil level inside. Then guess it might be ok.
Isn't that was Ultima/GT40 replicas do with the Porsche G50 gearbox i.e. run it upside down, same idea ?
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rdodger
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| posted on 23/1/15 at 11:41 AM |
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You wouldn't be running a sierra front diff backwards, just upside down. That is if you used a front diff not a rear diff as in the actual car.
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Minicooper
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| posted on 23/1/15 at 06:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rdodger
You wouldn't be running a sierra front diff backwards, just upside down. That is if you used a front diff not a rear diff as in the actual car.
The rear diff is fine in the front as it runs the correct way just upside down, just sort the breather and all is well.
I personally would be much more concerned about the solid coupling at the front
David
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