Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 5/1/13 at 08:02 PM |
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Sprinting - what car other than 7?
Hi all,
Been a while since I posted, but I want to pick the collective locostbuilders brain, sprint/hillclimbers especially.
The plan is to return to sprinting this year after a few years off due to family, cash, crashes etc..... But rather than run the Luego, we'd
like to run in a more competitive class e.g. Have a chance at placing well.
My thoughts are to go for the 1400 road going class, but what car? Budget isn't huge (sub 2k) but spanner skills a now a lot more adequate than
when we started.
So! First sprint in a while for me and luegosnr, neither of us massively skilled, but eager to try. Open to all suggestions - classes, cars, etc
Thanks as always
NLJ
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snapper
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| posted on 5/1/13 at 08:20 PM |
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Peugeot 205 GT 1360 twin twin chokes
Light and quick out of the box
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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loggyboy
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| posted on 5/1/13 at 08:24 PM |
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I would go with a pog 106, xsi or early rallye.
Mistral Motorsport
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phelpsa
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| posted on 5/1/13 at 08:34 PM |
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I started off in this:
Still can't thing of anything that would have been better. It was only a 1360 but it weighed nothing, was geared really low and had a good
suspension setup which meant in most places I wasn't too far off the GTis.
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v8kid
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| posted on 5/1/13 at 10:02 PM |
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Rover 214?
You'd be surprised how quickly the sales people at B&Q try and assist you after ignoring you for the past 15 minutes when you try and start a
chainsaw
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 5/1/13 at 10:25 PM |
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An AX GT is lighter and more powerful than the 205 GT/Rallye. The 16v head from the Saxo VTS/106 GTi can be fitted to the smaller 1400 TU engines and
make very good power indeed.
Or if you can find one for sensible money, the Phase 1 Peugeot 106 Rallye made 100bhp from it's 1.3L engine, but they are quite sought after and
prices reflect this.
A Rover Metro/100 shouldn't be scoffed at. The 1400 16v K series makes 105bhp out of the box, and the Metro is pretty light. Probably a cheap
option as well. There is a caged one ending soon on eBay, though probably not permitted in road going class?
The Suzuki Swift 1.3 GTi might be worth consideration, though now getting quite rare.
Corsa 1.4 16v maybe. Great little engines and can make properly serious amount of power, but awful things to work on as engine bay is very tight.
There is a 1.4 Corsa tarmac rally car I see at most of the events I attend and it puts a lot of the 2.0L cars to shame.
EDIT: Just a thought, but do the rules of the championship you are intending to enter permit turbocharged cars with the usual 1.4x equivalency? If
so, what about one of the small Japanese turbocharged pocket rockets, e.g. Charade GTTi
[Edited on 5/1/13 by MikeRJ]
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fregis
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| posted on 5/1/13 at 10:44 PM |
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how about MID engine cars?
etc toyota mr2?
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 5/1/13 at 10:46 PM |
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Thanks for he ideas guys - some interesting options.
Tracking down a metro GTi isn't going to be easy, ditto AX GT, rallye may be out of budget.
Lots of cheap XSi 106's, is that a realistic alternative?
Turbo - yes fine on the 1.4 ratio,hadn't though of the 1ltr turbos, thanks mike.
What about smaller engined Saxos? Any good? Don't know much about French cars!
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 5/1/13 at 10:48 PM |
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MR2 is a good option, but puts us in the up to 2 ltr category, and I fear we'd be outgunned.
Any experiences here guys?
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 5/1/13 at 11:16 PM |
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having hillclimbed a 2.3 turbo volvo , it doesnt really matter what your in for your few first attempts , so i would suggest whatever is in your front
yard , but most something of the peugeot variety .
dont forget other cars like skoda, seat etc which can come in the vw flavour ...even an old mini in the historic class..... , ive been looking at some
the classic/historic results/eligibility and youll be suprised what could fit in what class..
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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fregis
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| posted on 5/1/13 at 11:59 PM |
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toyota mr2 1gen have 1.6l 4age (lower than 2l  , but anyway to big? ) but maybe to old?
[Edited on 6/1/13 by fregis]
[Edited on 6/1/13 by fregis]
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bi22le
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| posted on 6/1/13 at 12:23 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by fregis
toyota mr2 1gen have 1.6l 4age (lower than 2l , but anyway to big? ) but maybe to old?
[Edited on 6/1/13 by fregis]
[Edited on 6/1/13 by fregis]
And they did a supercharged version. Quite rare though.
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 6/1/13 at 12:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Norfolkluegojnr
Lots of cheap XSi 106's, is that a realistic alternative?
They have the ~100bhp TU engine, though it's a relatively heavy car at just under 900kg compared to e.g. 722kg for the AX GT.
I suppose it really depends on if you want to be competitive or are just doing it for a bit of fun.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 6/1/13 at 12:49 AM |
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hated the steering on the ax gt for road use, but I suspect it would be pretty good for this purpose. was quite rapid and fun.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 6/1/13 at 12:56 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
An AX GT is lighter and more powerful than the 205 GT/Rallye.
[Edited on 5/1/13 by MikeRJ]
The 205 GT, XS, Roland Garros and AX GT all had the identical 85bhp all-ali TU3S engine and identical gear ratios. The Rallye had the iron block,
75bhp TU3M and taller gearing.
The AX was more fun, but the shorter wheelbase made it a bit snappier. It also had all the torsional rigidity of a kitkat wrapper, and was just as
brown underneath. As a competent sprint car I would have the 205 again.
I wish I still had one or the other....
[Edited on 6-1-13 by phelpsa]
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 9/1/13 at 04:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
The 205 GT, XS, Roland Garros and AX GT all had the identical 85bhp all-ali TU3S engine and identical gear ratios. The Rallye had the iron block,
75bhp TU3M and taller gearing.
The 205 GT had an 80 bhp variant of the TU engine.
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 9/1/13 at 04:41 PM |
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The old man seems keen on an MX5, i feel it might be a bit underpowered.
thoughts? obviously this sticks us in A2 which would mean anything up to 2 litre.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/1/13 at 04:55 PM |
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Without a doubt an MX5 would be underpowered in a 2.0 class. Great fun cars though.
I doubt you find a phase 1 206 XSis cheap (or easily), and phase 2s had a 1.6 IIRC.
Other option is nova SRi, very capable cars if you can overlook the stereotype the boy racers gave them. Also getting rare and expensive for a clean
one. Ive had 2 and loved them both:
My Sri giving me a class award in my first ever autosolo:
And my redtoped version that gave me plenty of fun and plenty of few awards (considering it was in the kit car classes)
Mistral Motorsport
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 9/1/13 at 06:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Norfolkluegojnr
What about smaller engined Saxos? Any good? Don't know much about French cars!
I'm sure you could get a VTR/VTS for decent money, and pretty much a 106
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theduck
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| posted on 9/1/13 at 06:56 PM |
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S1 106 rallye if keeping small capacity (1.3)
Clio 172 if 2.0 class
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phelpsa
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| posted on 9/1/13 at 07:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
The 205 GT, XS, Roland Garros and AX GT all had the identical 85bhp all-ali TU3S engine and identical gear ratios. The Rallye had the iron block,
75bhp TU3M and taller gearing.
The 205 GT had an 80 bhp variant of the TU engine.
Pre-87 the GT and XS had an 80bhp XY8. Post 87 they had exactly the same 85bhp (TU3S) engine. From 91 you could specify a 75bhp injected engine I
believe but they still came as standard with the TU3s until 93.
[Edited on 9-1-13 by phelpsa]
[Edited on 9-1-13 by phelpsa]
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 9/1/13 at 09:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
The 205 GT, XS, Roland Garros and AX GT all had the identical 85bhp all-ali TU3S engine and identical gear ratios. The Rallye had the iron block,
75bhp TU3M and taller gearing.
The 205 GT had an 80 bhp variant of the TU engine.
Pre-87 the GT and XS had an 80bhp XY8. Post 87 they had exactly the same 85bhp (TU3S) engine. From 91 you could specify a 75bhp injected engine I
believe but they still came as standard with the TU3s until 93.
[Edited on 9-1-13 by phelpsa]
[Edited on 9-1-13 by phelpsa]
Excellent encyclopedic knowledge!
Thanks for your help guys. My first thoughts were 172, so i'll try and convince him :-)
I'd love to go for A1, but i just kind find a competitive car that isn't 500 miles away....
Will keep you posted on progress!
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theduck
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| posted on 9/1/13 at 09:33 PM |
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Perfect car for you http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?677141-PH1-172-%A31600
Well looked after (i know the owner, and not just over t'interwebs) within budget, recent cambelt, PERFECT!
Plus black ph1 172s are the best...
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 9/1/13 at 09:46 PM |
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ooooo nice
Father, fetch the piggy bank!
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britishtrident
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| posted on 9/1/13 at 10:58 PM |
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Hillman Imp amazingly quick provided you can get a 998 engine
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