JC
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| posted on 21/11/12 at 05:56 PM |
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Which battery (again...)
Hi all, I've finally got round to choosing a battery. The choices I have narrowed it down to are these: Westco AGM MX5 battery (£86), red top
25 (£89), RMD25 from rally designs (£50-60) , or this : Lawn Mower Battery Lucas AGM/GEL 12V 22AH (Replace 17AH 18AH 19AH 20AH
21AH) 
It will be used on a 1.25 zetec SE, not regular use but was going to get one of these:
Another linky
The eBay one looks a similar spec to the RMD one, and I had good feedback on that last time I asked!!!
ThoughtS?
Thanks
JC
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russbost
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| posted on 21/11/12 at 06:10 PM |
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Or one of these
Link
will start a 1.25 Zetec as the day is long & weighs about 1/5 of the lawnmower battery! (700g) & with very low discharge rate you probs
won't need the charger!
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JC
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| posted on 21/11/12 at 06:12 PM |
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Would love one Russ but trying to keep cost down!!! I will be in touch again about the brake lines though!
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Staple balls
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| posted on 21/11/12 at 07:28 PM |
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What's the deal with the Li-ion batteries capacity and cranking amps wise? There doesn't seem to be much mention.
And how do they deal with the abuse they'll take during building? y'know, sitting unused for weeks/months.
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will121
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| posted on 21/11/12 at 07:32 PM |
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the look of the ebay battery doesnt quote a cold cranking amps (CCA) which is normally a indication of capacity basis for use to power a starter
motor, just a Ah rating which to me looks more to towards a steady output current in say a mobility scooter or golf buggy for a long period rather
than sudden bust of power to crank a engine, mind you the rally design ones dont look much different and assume they selling them for starting
batteries.
personally if want a smaller battery to mount in any way i would go for the red top type
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britishtrident
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| posted on 21/11/12 at 08:02 PM |
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As above read the blurb it is Deep Cycle Battery not designed for cranking engines.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 21/11/12 at 08:12 PM |
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Also Tayna Batteries sell it cheaper
Something like this would do the job http://www.tayna.co.uk/YTX20L-BS-Numax-Motorbike-Battery-P7555.html
[Edited on 21/11/12 by britishtrident]
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Madinventions
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| posted on 22/11/12 at 12:19 AM |
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I used a Banner 53034 battery (as used in many Caterhams) for my 1.25 Zetec SE install and it started faultlessly every time for the first couple of
years. I then updated to the Puma 1.7 engine, and this battery is still starting it over a year later!
http://www.tayna.co.uk/53034-Banner-Caterham-Battery-P8369.html
I've got a couple of CTEK 3600 maintenance battery chargers which I would thoroughly recommend, although they are more expensive than the one
you've mentioned. 
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[Edited on 22/11/12 by Madinventions]
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philfingers
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| posted on 24/11/12 at 10:17 AM |
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I'll second the CTEK, they're very good, i use them on my bikes and they are connected the whole time. The earlier Optimiser and a cheap
lidl/aldi one tend to kill batteries if connected for long periods
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JC
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| posted on 24/11/12 at 03:27 PM |
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Is this the one?
Linky
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philfingers
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| posted on 24/11/12 at 07:37 PM |
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I've got a number of them, but XS 0.8 is probably as good as any, it's only 0.8A so will take a long time to charge a flat battery, but
just to keep on topped up it'll be fine. if it's flat just use a 'normal' charger.
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rdodger
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| posted on 25/11/12 at 04:12 PM |
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http://www.batterymasters.co.uk/Product-Ultramax-NP20-12,-12v-20Ah-Sealed-Lead-Acid-High-Capacity-Battery-(L(mm)-W(mm)-H(mm)-181-76-167)_1382.asp
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These look great value and used by a few of the Caterham guys.
[Edited on 25/11/12 by rdodger]
[Edited on 25/11/12 by rdodger]
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JC
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| posted on 25/11/12 at 07:30 PM |
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Yep, now got one of those coming to me in the post! 
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rdodger
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| posted on 25/11/12 at 07:52 PM |
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It does look VERY similar to the RMD one! Somewhat cheaper though.
Happily it is more or less the same size as Powervamp 25 so I recon it's possible to use their ally mounting bracket.
I guess I will find out.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 25/11/12 at 08:01 PM |
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From Wikipedia
The starting (cranking) or shallow cycle type is designed to deliver large bursts of power for a short time, as is needed to start an engine .
Once the engine is started, the battery is recharged by the engine-driven charging system. Starting batteries are intended to have a low depth of
discharge on each use. They are constructed of many thin plates with thin separators between the plates, and may have a higher specific gravity
electrolyte to reduce internal resistance.[1]
The deep cycle (or motive) type is designed to continuously provide power for long periods of time (for example in a trolling motor for a small
boat, auxiliary power for a recreational vehicle, or traction power for a golf cart or other battery electric vehicle) . They can also be used to
store energy from a photovoltaic array or a small wind turbine. Deep-cycle batteries have fewer, thicker plates and are intended to have a greater
depth of discharge on each cycle, but will not provide as high a current on heavy loads. The thicker plates survive a higher number of
charge/discharge cycles.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
[/I]
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rdodger
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| posted on 25/11/12 at 08:08 PM |
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Data sheet
http://www.ultramaxbatteries.com/ProductDocs/SLAUMXNP20-12-TECH.pdf
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philfingers
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| posted on 25/11/12 at 09:56 PM |
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I hope it's good enough, there's no mention of cold cranking current in the data sheet. looks more like a leisure type battery then one
for starting engines. let us know how you get on with it tho, i need one for mine!
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STM Phoenix R1
Sold-Sylva Striker 1300xf, 40s etc
Sold-Sylva Phoenix, 1300xf, BVH, 234cam, 2xDCOE 40s, live axle - 'old school', rally car and a few bikes
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rdodger
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| posted on 25/11/12 at 10:01 PM |
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link to discussion on pistonheads
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philfingers
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| posted on 26/11/12 at 12:39 AM |
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review seems good enough and £32 here with free delivery
Ultramax 12V 20Ah For UPS, Jump Starter, etc NP17-12' NP18-12
The true home of cars born under the Sylva name - http://jpsc.org.uk/forum
STM Phoenix R1
Sold-Sylva Striker 1300xf, 40s etc
Sold-Sylva Phoenix, 1300xf, BVH, 234cam, 2xDCOE 40s, live axle - 'old school', rally car and a few bikes
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JC
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| posted on 26/11/12 at 01:21 PM |
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Got me one of these too today! My local Aldi had a dozen or so in the clearance bin!!!
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Aldi charger
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As discussed here:Locostbuilders
[Edited on 26/11/12 by JC]
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