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Bright 6 and Premier Wiring Loom
phoenix70 - 17/6/05 at 02:25 PM

Hi All,

Can anyone confirm the correct wiring to hook up the Bright6 Module to Premier Wiring's 2 piece Sierra Loom

TIA

Scott

mookaloid - 17/6/05 at 02:37 PM

Probably Premier Wiring

Donners90 - 17/6/05 at 02:44 PM

Not sure about the loom, but a small warning THEY ARE VERY BRIGHT.

They will be OK during the day, but at night expect to get dazzled!!!

HTH
James Rescued attachment bright6.JPG
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DaveFJ - 17/6/05 at 03:17 PM

I was intending to fit these, would it be possible to wire them in such a way that they are dimmer when the lights are switched on ?

I assune they use LED's so don' know how possible that is. Maybe the electrickery boffins can tell us ?

phoenix70 - 17/6/05 at 03:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
Probably Premier Wiring


Probably, if you could ever get them to answer the phone!

phoenix70 - 17/6/05 at 03:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Donners90
Not sure about the loom, but a small warning THEY ARE VERY BRIGHT.

They will be OK during the day, but at night expect to get dazzled!!!

HTH
James


I'm putting mine in the centre of the dash to avoid that problem.

jambojeef - 17/6/05 at 05:16 PM

yeah its easy to control the brightness of LEDs - Just connect a resistor in-line with each LED. How big your resistor is will govern how bright your LED. If you wanted to get clever you could try using LDRs which have a high resistance in low light levels and vice versa - might be intersting - kinda auto-dimming??

Geoff

Deckman001 - 17/6/05 at 06:00 PM

I'll look at mine if i go to the garage on Sunday, I havn't got it wired in yet, but the conections are done and tested

Jason

Humbug - 17/6/05 at 09:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
Probably Premier Wiring


Probably, if you could ever get them to answer the phone!


Yeah - I tried phoning them, constantly engaged, then when it did ring it went into answring machine mode. No reply to my message, and no reply to the follow-up email...

wilkingj - 18/6/05 at 06:59 AM

As for the wiring problem, pick each wire from the loom, and note its function from the Green card / Documentation, then connect to the correct wire on the Bright 6. Thats all I did, and it works a treat.

Yes... They are bright, and I have also mounted them dirrectly in front of me.

The Relay Mod is one way.
You could just put a Pot (Sorry... Variable resistor to the non tecchies) in the earth line. Its really only the indicators and main Beam, that you want to Dimm, as they are the "normal" use ones and likely to be on whn you are driving. ALL the others are Warnings, and should be off, except if there is a problem, in which case you should stop and investigate anyway. I would want these to be BRIGHT

I am thinking of a Pot with a knob on the dash... then you can adjust to suiit the conditions. Or a Pot through a relay so you just throw the switch and have varaiable lighting... There are plenty of ways to do this.


PS... If you are really stuck, U2U me, and I will pull the dash out and check the colours, I have Prem Wiring and Bright 6 as well. Its easy really..

PPS... Just thought of something else...

If you put the resistor in the live wire, Make it switchable, as the 12v is used through the Ign Warning Lamp to give a reference voltage to the Alternator field coils to energise them so the Alternator gives a charge out. (Kicks it into life).
Hence the extra Resistor and Diode in the Bright 6 diagram... Otherwise you would not get enough current flow through the LED, to kick the Alternator into life.

You Might (Emphasis on MIGHT... MIGHT) give rise to charging problems, or the Ign warning light not going completely out... I am not totally sure, as I have not thought this bit through yet... Its only just come into my mind.

Just be aware of it, incase you get some funny charging problems... It could save you hours of head scratching...

wilkingj - 18/6/05 at 08:40 PM

I wasnt going to Newark today, but I went and saw Mr Bright6.

I asked about the resistor mods. He confirmed about putting resistors in the +12V will affect the charging (as I thought).

Also he makes a Dimming kit for £1.99. Complete with Heatshrink sleeving.
Basically its three resistors, three bits of wire, and three bits of heat shrink.

You put the resistors in the Leads to the left and right indicators, and the Main beam light.

If you put them in the earth lead (just one resistor), the following will happen:

It WILL WORK! However, when you are on Main beam, and then indicate, the Main beam light on the bright 6 will dim / brighten in sympathy with the indiactor.

This is due to the two lights using the common earth and via your modification (resistor in the earth line). As the indicator switches on / off, it will alter the current in the Common resistor in the earth line. As this happens the voltage across the resistor will change in sympathy, which in turn will alter the voltage across the Main beam light. causing it to brighten / Dimm in sympathy with the Indicator flashing cadence.

I didnt think of this last night, I was tired, but its obvious reallly.

As I suspected the resistor in the +12V lead will affect the charging circuit. Probably not a huge ammount, but it will have an effect. I wouldnt do this mod, as I want to see the warning lights day or night.

Now... the reason for them being SO BRIGHT, is its a SVA requirement that you can see them even on a bright sunny day. They are designed to meet that specific SVA requirement.

If you want dimmer lights, forget the oil, ignition, and brake warning lights as they are 99.99% OFF.
If you want the others to be dimm, see Mr Bright6, and get his £1.99 kit.
I am not trying to plug his products... just reporting what I found out today.

So,... Whats the future...

He is bringing out a modified set of lights with Auto Dimming, via a Light dependent resistor (obvious way to do this!).

Good point is that its going to be a board that can be piggy-backed on existing boards!

Also, he is working on a timer circuit for the Low Brake fluid warning. ie switch on ign, brake warning light lights.. (Testing the light which is a SVA requirement) for a few seconds, then putting it out. Again a add-on thats compatible with the existing boards out there.

All in all the chap has been thinking and looking at his product and trying to improve it for all you builders.

I fell I have had a productive day!!


So now you all know!!..


PS.. sorry for the long post..

[Edited on 18/6/2005 by wilkingj]

James - 21/6/05 at 09:36 AM

Nice one mate.

Thanks for finding that all out.

Cheers,
James

David Jenkins - 21/6/05 at 10:20 AM

quote:
Originally posted by wilkingj
I wasnt going to Newark today, but I went and saw Mr Bright6.


Do you have a contact/website/whatever for him?

cheers,
David

flak monkey - 21/6/05 at 10:24 AM

I assume Mr Bright6 si the guy behind this site?

http://www.lightninglooms.co.uk/

David

splitrivet - 21/6/05 at 04:54 PM

Was going to have a mess with this tonight, timer in brake light,light sensitive resistor hmm, velly interlesting,keep you posted.
Cheers,
Bob

Steve @ sVc - 22/6/05 at 02:01 PM

There is a resistor package availble for the Bright6
Regards
Steve @ sVc

David Jenkins - 22/6/05 at 02:23 PM

Steve,

Does this package permanently alter the brightness, or does it only affect it when the lights are on?

David

wilkingj - 22/6/05 at 04:57 PM

Permanantly... Read my thread above, as they are developing a variable one that changes.

DaveFJ - 22/6/05 at 06:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Steve,

Does this package permanently alter the brightness, or does it only affect it when the lights are on?

David


wrote an email to the Bright6 blokey about this. they have kindly replied and apparently they do a resitor pack for £1.99 which is linked to the headlight switch and dimms the LEDs when the lights are switched on.