stevebubs
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| posted on 15/1/12 at 07:51 PM |
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Many driveway alterations now fall under planning rules....
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/pavingfrontgarden/
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 15/1/12 at 08:00 PM |
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Just to make sure I've got this right, it's a flat trailer that's in question, something like this:
That he's not liking the look of. But in order to see it he has to look through a 4 foot high fence, which I'm figuring pretty much
obscures his view of said trailer...
So really he has nothing to complain over? Maybe we need a picture from his perspective...
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stevebubs
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| posted on 15/1/12 at 08:04 PM |
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Put mirror panels on the side of the trailer so all he can see is his house 
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daviep
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| posted on 15/1/12 at 08:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
Hasyour neighbour told the council he's added an extra parking space? If not he's commiting tax fraud as they can alter your council tax
based on gaining or losing parking spaces.
If it were me I'd check it was all above board, if it is then just ignor him.
To the one above, you should have said that you didn't like the look of what was in her drive, just to see the look on her face.
Are you sure about this?
As I understand it council tax band is based on the property value in 1991 (even for new builds), if you extend your house or upgrade it in some way
that would increase the value and put it in a higher band then no change will occur to the band until the house is sold.
Regards
Davie
“A truly great library contains something in it to offend everyone.”
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morcus
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| posted on 15/1/12 at 08:21 PM |
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I'm possitive, because my old neighbours had their front garden converted so they had a double drive and they were told they had too by the
people sorting it for them. I also know people who've bought flats and sold their parking space and had their council tax band changed.
Anything that effects the value of the propperty has to be reported. I can't find anything online (Which is normal because I find Direct Gov
completely illogical) but I'm certain of this and the council can change your tax band anytime they want, you then have to appeal it if you
think it's wrong. There were talks not long ago by the last government of using arieal reconnasence to see what people had in there gardens to
do just this.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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steve m
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| posted on 15/1/12 at 08:59 PM |
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Extending your parking area, does not qualify for any further council or any other tax
I had mine done last year, so i can park my caravan on my front lawn
if any of my neighbours complained, i would retaliate, with" i look at your pig ugly wife everey day, so we are even!"
fortuantley my neighbours are all fine, and the 4 houses in my immediate corner, all seem to look after each other
Steve
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daviep
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| posted on 15/1/12 at 09:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
I'm possitive, because my old neighbours had their front garden converted so they had a double drive and they were told they had too by the
people sorting it for them. I also know people who've bought flats and sold their parking space and had their council tax band changed.
Anything that effects the value of the propperty has to be reported. I can't find anything online (Which is normal because I find Direct Gov
completely illogical) but I'm certain of this and the council can change your tax band anytime they want, you then have to appeal it if you
think it's wrong. There were talks not long ago by the last government of using arieal reconnasence to see what people had in there gardens to
do just this.
Sorry to OP for hijack just trying to save you wasting your time.
I'm still not convinced, sounds like an urban myth to me.
From: The Council Tax (Alteration of Lists and Appeals) Regulations 1993
LINKY
Restrictions on alteration of valuation bands
4.—(1) No alteration shall be made of a valuation band(1) shown in a list as applicable to any dwelling unless—
(a)since the valuation band was first shown in the list as applicable to the dwelling— .
(i)there has been a material increase in the value of the dwelling and a relevant transaction(2) has been subsequently carried out in relation
to the whole or any part of it; or .
From: Local Government Finance Act 1992 LINKY
“relevant transaction” means a transfer on sale of the fee simple, a grant of a lease for a term of seven years or more or a transfer on sale of such
a lease.
Council tax guide for Joe Bloggs page 7 deals with this subject
Regards
Davie
“A truly great library contains something in it to offend everyone.”
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Neville Jones
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| posted on 16/1/12 at 01:15 PM |
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Anyone been to Longleat and seen the 'private'sections in the house, with all of Lord Bath's art. Some good stuff there? 
I'd put some cheap ply on the side of the house, and get the local art students to decorate them, just for the neighbours benefit. Could be seen
as a hoarding though. Easily removed, as are Lord Baths lewd and wacky paintings, on ply.
Maybe get a flower garden painted on the fence facing your neighbour.
Then there's my usual and best revenge, quick growing grass seed on his lawn, in the shape of whatever word you think fits best.
Cheers,
nev.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 16/1/12 at 01:54 PM |
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I'd suggest that neighbours generally need to get along and while their complaint may seem unfair at first sight, maybe they don't like
seeing a car recovery service outside their house and it's upset them a bit that you've changed the neighbourhood from how it was when
they bought their house (much like you might complain if someone started to park a double decker outside your front garden etc). You really have to be
mature and careful in neighbour disputes as things can and do rapidly get out of hand and at the end of the day it's just a difference of
opinion and at least they're telling you this face to face so you can take that opportunity to talk with them and be reasonable. IF you ignore
them or start charging around throwing legalities at them you're just going to make an enemy, one more person stuck against you if anything else
happens and one more person to kill your buzz when you see them in the street.
Have a chat, they might prefer you to put up a small fence to cover the trailer, they may even be willing to pay.
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 16/1/12 at 04:06 PM |
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Judging buy your info with regard to the height of the trailer and the relative positions of the houses, they would only see your trailer if they were
standing, nosing out of the window at your property. It would not spoil their view if they were seated. This would indicate a complete lack of
neighbourlyness on their part. They are tossers who need to get a life and should be treated as such.
I would go and speak to him in a quite friendly manner and point this out to him and also advise him that there may be financial repecussions if he
becomes a pain in the bum.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 16/1/12 at 04:44 PM |
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Not sure how standing or sitting makes any difference, either way it's visible and unpleasant to look at. I like cars, trailers and all sorts
but I wouldn't want it to be my views about the house. Taking an aggressive stance does nothing but make the aggressor look like a tool.
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daviep
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| posted on 16/1/12 at 04:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
They are tossers who need to get a life and should be treated as such.
I would go and speak to him in a quite friendly manner and point this out to him and also advise him that there may be financial repecussions if he
becomes a pain in the bum.
Wow that's pretty strong feelings for somebody you have probably never met and how exactly wil there be "financial repecussions"?
I'm pretty amazed at the amount of really bad / unhelpful advice the OP has recieved. Good neighbours are worth their weight in gold, I
couldn't count the number of times I've come home to "parcel left with neighbour" note through the door or I've had a
knock at the door to tell me I've left the car lights on or such like.
Why is everyone trying to get a war started between this guy and his neighbour?
Davie
“A truly great library contains something in it to offend everyone.”
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thefreak
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| posted on 16/1/12 at 05:19 PM |
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I would say I'm the good neighbour of the 2 though.
I accept the parcels if I'm there and they're not (few and far between as she's a stay at home mum) I knock on their door at 11pm at
night because they've left the interior light on and the doors unlocked of their car, but no answer so I secure it for them, and all I get is
this crap.
So am I supposed to make it magically disappear? Give up my hobby? dig an underground car park just so when she looks out of her window instead of
seeing a huge 3 storey brick wall of the side of our house she sees a huge brick wall and a 2ft high black trailer?
As you can see by the plan, their front window looks directly at the side of our house. They picked that plot from all that were there as they were
the first people to move in, they knew what they were buying.
I've spoken to the council today and there are no laws or bylaws governing what you can store on your own property for the Gloucestershire area,
only what may be on the deeds to the house - which are quoted above.
I think the plan of action is to leave it now (as the next 3 months are going to be dedicated in getting the Exocet ready to start the race season in
April, so no more time for trackdays) and when he next brings it up when he's had a couple of cans of brave juice I politely say to him
I've spoken to the council and they're happy with it, I've checked the deeds and there's nothing in there either, but as a
compromise I am willing to purchase a large car cover for the trailer and fit this so it is more pleasing on the eye when they want to look at the
side of our house.
As I said our original intentions were to extend the small 4ft decorative railings around the side but as our deeds say we can't do this for 5
years we wont - and thank him for bringing that to our attention, as it's saved me £1100
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 16/1/12 at 05:24 PM |
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Sounds reasonable to me.
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edsco
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| posted on 16/1/12 at 06:27 PM |
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I can see 'potentially' why he may have a gripe, but equally what else or where else can you a park a trailer? I am no expert but surely
you can put or store anything on your own land albeit a trailer or a statue that in some respects some people would greatly admire by its artistic
qualities or loathed by others. And to back it all, if it is obscured anyway from view i.e. your fence, he must have x ray vision or something to be
able to see it.....confused.....!!
Little GEM!
One thing you could try or at least look into....round where i live, if you wish to block pave or worst tarmac a piece of front garden for parking
purposes, like your neighbour has, did he get planing permission to do so? Round me, you have to check whether the water run off will affect the
drainage capacity to prevent flash flooding etc from the drains. Garden or green spaces buffer water run off times and manages water flow etc. Big
slap on wrists if he was living in near me by council. By all accounts however, the council may just say that although he didnt seek permission,
there is clearly a need to help reduce on street parking.....
Cant win. I would however be seen to be proactive and approach the council first and seek advice. At least if you are seen to be willing to take
advice first the council may look favourably towards you if it ever got as far as a full blown dispute.
edsco
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thefreak
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| posted on 16/1/12 at 08:45 PM |
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He has a garage full of junk, he has a 307 and his missus has a smart car. The only reason he dug the garden up was to save himself clearing the junk
from his garage. Hell he could even push stuff to the back and fit the smart car in
Whereas we've got the double garage and we use it for car storage. Unfortunately it's not long enough to get the trailer in...
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ashg
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| posted on 16/1/12 at 10:12 PM |
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unfortunately as i have found out you will not change your neighbours mind what ever you say. i have a similar neighbour and eventually after a long
time and through speaking with other neighbours, we have worked out that it is all fuelled by jealousy.
my neighbour hates the fact that a chap half his age has moved in to the nicer house next door, has high performance sports cars, nice tin tops, and
still has cash left to spend doing up his house, building new workshops, sheds etc. if he can find a way to poo on my day he will every time.
we went over one of the other neighbours new years eve this year and at 3am when we got home he was sitting in the dark watching and waiting for us to
come home. he bounded out of his house forced his way in my front door as the other half tried to close it, almost knocking her over, kicking off
about the noise from over the road from the party that wasn't even at my house.
I had been drinking and wasn't in the mood for his poo especially as he had forced his way into my home. short of it he got lumped. police
come and fortunately sided with us (cctv on the front door) as he forced his way into our house, scaring the poo out of us. they went and had a chat
with him and everything has been quiet since.
im not saying go punch your neighbour in fact dont do that, it is a very bad idea. but sometimes you do have to stand up for yourself(one way or
another)! my case went to the extreme which was far from ideal but he was a bully, usually when he made a fuss i folded just to keep the peace, which
in our case only made things worse as he knew he could get away with it. Once i stood up to him the dynamic rapidly changed so far 16days and not a
whisper, compared to the daily digs and comments in passing we used to get (curtains have also stopped twitching every time we go in or out).
so from my experience i would suggest to leave it alone unless they confront you again. If they do, explain that you have researched the matter and
in your mind are doing nothing wrong. invite them to present you with written evidence that you are in the wrong then politely refuse to discuss the
matter any further until they have presented said evidence. if they can back up the claim with evidence then you will need to come to a compromise,
until then all conversations are a waste of good oxygen that could be used in your engine.
Anything With Tits or Wheels Will cost you MONEY!!
Haynes Roadster (Finished)
Exocet (Finished & Sold)
New Project (Started)
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 17/1/12 at 09:04 AM |
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I still think my original point stands, how can he see a 2 foot high trailer over a 4 foot high fence?
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thefreak
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| posted on 17/1/12 at 09:22 AM |
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The railings currently only extend across the front of our house, not down the side where the trailer is parked. The original plan was to continue it
down the try and hide it a little and finish it off, but having been prompted to check the deeds because of this, by the looks of it we're not
allowed. I think that would have made it look much less obvious and better to look out the window at, but I can't be going against what it says
in the deeds no can I?
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Peteff
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| posted on 17/1/12 at 09:46 AM |
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Exactly how much time does he spend looking out of the window at your trailer for it to become a problem for him ? If it was a pack of rabid
Rottweilers like I had next door for a couple of years and he couldn't use his garden it would make sense but otherwise he has no reason to
moan. Put a very brightly coloured tarpaulin over it and ask it that is better or if it was better before.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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daviep
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| posted on 17/1/12 at 10:21 AM |
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TBH if that's where his living room window faces on to and there is no screening then I can understand him not wanting to look out at your
trailer / car shells.
Sorry I know it's not what you want to hear 
Would it not be possible to park it further up towards what I presume are the garages?
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Regards
Davie
“A truly great library contains something in it to offend everyone.”
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thefreak
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| posted on 17/1/12 at 10:30 AM |
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To be clear, there is no shell there, just the trailer. There was only a shel there while I was disposing of it.
Further back was his suggestion, along with digging up the tree that's there (green squiggles on the pic) and moving that to outside the window.
4 issues with that. 1. I don't want a tree that close to the property, 2 we're aparently not allowed to move the trees/shrubbery, 3 it
would provide an easy step over the 7ft fence fe would be burgalers, 4 our intention is to move the fence line out to the border (there's
already a fence there around 6th from the driveway).
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loggyboy
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| posted on 17/1/12 at 10:46 AM |
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Just leave it there. If you dont beleive it in contrevention of any points set out in the deeds then he'll have to put up with it.
I mean, he is only looking at the side of you house anyway, its not like its spoiling his view of green pastures or a pleasent garden.
Ive had neighbours moan at me for parking my (Taxed and insured) car on the road out side their house, because they were having works done and it
meant they couldnt park their car there whilst the drive had a skip on it!!!
Ok the car wasnt in use at all. Sadly I felt I had to move it as it was my parents neighbours not mine and didnt want to cause friction, but had it
been my house I would have left it right where it was.
Theres a chap who lives opposite my inlaws who has a car that is taxed and insured but left out side his house so that no one else can park there. It
literally sits there 24/7/365, it only moves when the MoT is due. I wouldnt mind but its an eyesaw dark blue/green escort, and before that he had a
cream metro that eventually failed its MoT hence the escort coming along. http://g.co/maps/v3q3x
He must be paying several hundered £'s a year just so no one parks infront of his house. But its a terrace street, so just behind his escort
there is an empty space thats usualy filled with the neighbours 4x4!
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