mistergrumpy
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| posted on 13/7/08 at 09:01 AM |
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Jaqui Smith On Knives
She's off again! This time on people caught carrying knives.
Here
Just where does she think these ideas up. Some of my favourite lines:
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..visits to A&E wards where people are being treated for knife wounds...
Yes so they can sit in the waiting room for 4 hours like everyone else!
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"It is simplistic and wrong to pretend that prison is an easy answer to all of society's problems,"
You're right Ms Smith. No one wants graffiti artists or people who habitually let their dog sh1t everywhere locking up but this is people
carrying knives! They're not going to use a mini samurai or even a 10" kitchen knife to butter their butties at dinner time! 
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The police, as well as judges and community leaders don't want every single young person found carrying a knife jailed, especially when we know
that tough community sentences including community payback, supervision and electronically monitored curfews are more likely to stop them carrying
knives in the future."
She's now quoting police (the ones she pi55ed off with their pay rise) and judges now. This is called hearsay to most judges I believe. And oh
yes community and supervision orders. Well yes, they work a treat them eh!
God almighty. Was she off school the day that they were teaching common sense or was she daydreaming like she is now.
I'm not having a go at responsible tradespeople or farmers and the like carrying a knife for their work, I used to carry one in the RAF and it
was amazingly useful but normal everyday chavs and the people that don't work they're only carrying for one reason! Come on Ms
Smithget a grip
Rant done 
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Macbeast
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| posted on 14/7/08 at 07:22 AM |
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Ms Smith's proposals will see young people caught carrying knives being made to go to accident and emergency wards, to see the consequences of
stabbings.
They will meet victims' families and make prison visits to people convicted of knife offences.
To be fair, there are no details yet of how this will work (typical of this government's tactics of open mouth first, deal with the
practicalities later )
But I wonder:-
Will victims and their families actually want to meet knife carriers ? Haven't they suffered enough ?
Who is going to take the knife carriers to the hospitals or prisons?
How many people are caught carrying knives as compared to the number of conveniently-available victims in hospital or prison? Will victims be
subjected to maybe 10 visits from carriers ?
Or will the carriers be taken round in batches ?
How long do victims of stabbing stay in hospital ? Will the government set up a register of available victims rather like the organ donor system ?
What arrangements will be made for follow-up ?
It will be interesting to see the detail.
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 14/7/08 at 08:25 AM |
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You're right the sheer logistics of it seem to point to it already having failed. Its being called a panic decision by a party that refuses to
admit that knife crime statistics are through the roof today.
God! More of these idiots with their ideas or that smarmy Cameron? Seems a lose lose situation.
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smart51
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| posted on 14/7/08 at 08:26 AM |
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It has been shown, particularly with thieves who steal to fuel a drug habit, that showing them the consequences of their actions is a revalation to
them. All they tend to see is them getting away with nicking something that can be sold to raise cash.
Afterwards, they see that someone is upset or angry after the break in. Old people can be quite shaken. The home owner has to replace the window and
the stolen item at a cost far greater than the thief sold it for and they see all the upset caused.
Trials in this area show that some thieves are quite upset when they realise the consequences. It is the spur that makes them go to rehab courses and
things.
Of course, the rest of them are scum who take vindictive pleasure at upsetting people. Prison for knife carriers should be a suspended sentace. Go
on the gory hospital visits by all means. Those who are shocked keep the sentance suspended. The others do time. Remember that most of the kids who
carry knives do so by peer pressure only. They are ordinary kids just like yours. Are you sure your teenages dont have a fruit knife or something
hidden on their person? Want them to go to jail just for being caught?
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 14/7/08 at 08:55 AM |
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I'd like to see evidence of this? I see kids day in day out carrying knives and robbing people on the street (well I don't see it or
I'd stop it ) They never show remorse despite as you say seeing the victim having to rebuild things. They are usually people who they know or
at least on the same estate/area as them and they show nothing but contempt.
As for the question would I want my kid locking up? Very hard to answer this as I have no kids besides the fact that I can't keep a girlfriend
I just don't think that I could or would want to bring a kid up in this day and age but my parents always told me that if I did anything bad
then they wouldn't hesitate to ring the police so I can only say off the back of that, that I would probably do the same.
Peer pressure is a problem, I understand that but I think parents have a big part to play. They have an incline of what their kids are up to. Who they
are hanging around with and they must start wondering what's going on when their kids start coming in at 11-12 o clock at night or where all
their extra money is coming from. Parents can pick up on this and they either choose to ignore it, go along with it themselves or go about stopping it
and I think just too many parents just ignore it and take no action. When this is the case then the child is never going to learn and so a spell in
borstal is the only way forward I feel. But then starts the arguement of prisons being too cushy eh?
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 14/7/08 at 08:08 PM |
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It seems that Jaqui has already changed her mind - she appears to be going for the record for the quickest U-turn in history...
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 14/7/08 at 08:48 PM |
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Apparently teachers are to be given powers to search pupils for drugs, alcohol and knives now. How long before the accusations of sexual molestation
etc are brought against those teachers foolish/brave enough to do this?
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quinnj3
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| posted on 16/7/08 at 01:32 PM |
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A guy from my small town stole £300 from a local shop by holding it up with a bb gun. He was only discovered when his mother questioned him where he
got this extra cash and then promptly marched him round to the police station. The family are a good family he is just a bit of a hell raiser. Most
of these yobs don't have parents like that who care what their kids get up to. If they did care then the kids wouldn't be on the streets
in most cases anyway.
my aim is to build my own locost wether it takes me a week or 10 years to get started, i'm sure i will sometime
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 16/7/08 at 02:02 PM |
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the biggest problem for me witht he legislation is that as far as I am aware it is down to the discretion of the officer what counts as reasonable
cause for carrying a knife, so much as your farmers, raf etc should be able to safely, it onyl takes one cop who doesnt like you and your f***ed as
usual. I used to have a 4 inch serrated lock knife that liked in my waterproofs for sailing. If I nip to the shop Im f***ing careful to take it out my
pocket now, and for no good reason bar red tape and a hatred of ***** in uniform
Editied........Please tone down your language....Fozzie
[Edited on 16-7-08 by Fozzie]
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/7/08 at 02:53 PM |
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More stupidity!
I don't believe it... I really don't...
BBC LINK
Banning guns hasn't stopped gun crime increasing, so why would this bright idea?
Morons...
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Peteff
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| posted on 17/7/08 at 02:44 PM |
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I still carry my pen knife in my pocket. The only person I've ever cut with it is myself  . I do find it invaluable at times especially when
camping which we've just come back from.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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