flak monkey
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| posted on 15/4/20 at 11:11 AM |
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Laser/water jetting
Hi all,
Is anyone on here doing water jetting/laser cutting?
I need a few bits cutting from mild steel, already have the DXF's etc
Thanks 
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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TimC
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| posted on 15/4/20 at 11:31 AM |
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Hi Sera,
I’m planning to use Rob @ https://www.octagonprecision.com/about in the next week or so - customer service seems great.
Hope you are well.
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russbost
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| posted on 15/4/20 at 01:47 PM |
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Tim, why do you use waterjet rather than laser? Just wondering about the pros & cons of each?
How does it compare pricewise?
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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Ugg10
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| posted on 15/4/20 at 02:05 PM |
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https://www.lasermaster.co.uk/
I had good service from these guys in the past, send them a dwg/dxf file, they will quote, you agree, parts arrive. I had inlet manifold plate and
smaller bits done in aluminium and exhaust manifold plate in steel. Worth and email for a quote.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 16/4/20 at 09:07 AM |
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Thanks all, some food for thought!
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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TimC
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| posted on 16/4/20 at 10:04 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Tim, why do you use waterjet rather than laser? Just wondering about the pros & cons of each?
How does it compare pricewise?
I’ve used both over the years. For my purposes (one off kit car stuff) I don’t think it makes much difference. I tend to go where the customer
service is Good providing that its not prohibitively expensive.
In theory, laser is more accurate and cheaper but water can do thicker materials and also leaves surfaces without tarnishing. However, when you are
talking one-offs, the business model and overheads of the firm will have as much to do with the price as any underlying efficiencies of the
process.
We also use a wire-eroding contractor in work which is laser++ - another-level of accuracy and cost but comes with proper 3D versatility.
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russbost
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| posted on 16/4/20 at 10:55 AM |
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What's minimum order for the water jet guy you recommended
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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TimC
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| posted on 16/4/20 at 10:57 AM |
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It seems he does a fair amount of one-off work.
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balidey
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| posted on 16/4/20 at 06:54 PM |
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Do you know of Guttridge in Spalding? They have their own laser place next door, may be worth a try. And looks like they are remaining open.
https://www.laserfab.co.uk/
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peter030371
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| posted on 16/4/20 at 07:27 PM |
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I use several companies for stuff at work but none are that good for smaller quantities like kit car stuff. I recently tried Laser Master (already
mentioned) for a few personal bits and the price and service was excellent (some of the bigger companies could learn a thing or two from them!).
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mcerd1
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| posted on 17/4/20 at 08:56 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TimC
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Tim, why do you use waterjet rather than laser? Just wondering about the pros & cons of each?
How does it compare pricewise?
I’ve used both over the years. For my purposes (one off kit car stuff) I don’t think it makes much difference. I tend to go where the customer
service is Good providing that its not prohibitively expensive.
In theory, laser is more accurate and cheaper but water can do thicker materials and also leaves surfaces without tarnishing. However, when you are
talking one-offs, the business model and overheads of the firm will have as much to do with the price as any underlying efficiencies of the
process.
We also use a wire-eroding contractor in work which is laser++ - another-level of accuracy and cost but comes with proper 3D versatility.
^^ what he said but waterjet has another major advantage - its not a thermal process, so doesn't suffer from local hardening on the material
around the cut which could give you fatigue issues or just make it harder to do any secondary machining operations (like countersinking etc..)
obviously laser should be better than plasma in this respect, but its just not an issue for waterjet
at my work we use a lot of CNC plasma cut steel profiles (high yield structural steel, but similar behaviour to mild) and we've also had a fair
bit of laser and waterjet too
bare in mind that we only need accuracy to ±0.5 at best normally and generally use the lowest bidder (which no doubt can make a huge difference to
quality) but I've found that laser can leave a surprising amount of spatter/dross as well as leaving quite a rough edge - in fact there
wasn't much in it between the better plasma cuts and the worst/cheapest laser ones 
On the other hand I've yet to see a really bad finish on any of the waterjet stuff and it wasn't really all that much more expensive for
very small volumes (we do a lot of 1off work)
[Edited on 17/4/2020 by mcerd1]
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pigeondave
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| posted on 17/4/20 at 11:51 AM |
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Another vote for LaserMaster. co.uk
Got them to cut me a back plate for the ITG filter. The holes had to be offset, so couldn't buy an off the shelf item. Ended up costing less
than a blank from a motorsport seller and was accurate to 0.5mm and I drew in the hole for the air temp sender too.
Only problem was that I asked for 3mm thick, should have gone for 1.5mm.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 17/4/20 at 07:20 PM |
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My experience is that both technologies can achieve similar results as long as you specify what you want on the drawing. Laser tends to be cheaper on
thinner materials, waterjet cheaper on thicker stuff for a given surface tolerance.
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lsdweb
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| posted on 17/4/20 at 08:12 PM |
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For info, I've just had a quote from Fractory.com to produce 2 (same price for 16!) of these in 5mm steel for £75. Drawing needs tweaking
first!
 
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lsdweb
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| posted on 17/4/20 at 08:34 PM |
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I've just had a quote from a local supplier for the same job for £16!
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russbost
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| posted on 18/4/20 at 09:13 AM |
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That's a £75 min order price, hence same for 2 or 16. When I tried Fractory didn't get any responses at all
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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Rich J
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| posted on 18/4/20 at 10:42 AM |
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quote:
I've just had a quote from a local supplier for the same job for £16
Cross Waterjet Wyn??
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TimC
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| posted on 20/4/20 at 11:28 AM |
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I thought I’d update on my experience with Rob at https://www.octagonprecision.com
I drew a profile with pencils and ruler yesterday, took a photo with my phone and e-mailed it to Rob.
He’s drawn it in Solidworks this morning and the parts should be with me Wednesday at the latest.
We had a good 15min chat on the phone too. Most of his usual customer base are on shut-down so he’s reinventing his offer to meet the needs of the
likes of us. I’m really very impressed - he mentioned some of his blue-chip customers and if it’s good enough for them...
I’ve never used the guy before, have no affiliation but think he’s well-worth the recommendation.
TC
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