craig1410
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 posted on 1/2/04 at 08:39 PM |
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Harnesses - Recommendations for cheap 4 point SVA friendly?
Hi,
I'm looking for a pair of good value 4 point harnesses for use with Cobra Roadster 7 seats. They must be SVA friendly which I think means they
need to have an "e" mark and I think they must also have a push button release for the same reason. My budget is tight just now, as
I'm hoping to complete the car before the end of the summer, so I want good value (ie. Cheap!) ones to begin with. I may upgrade them later to a
nicer set.
Ideally I want 75mm webbing but this may be too expensive.
Any recommendations?
Cheers,
Craig.
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Mk-Ninja
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| posted on 1/2/04 at 08:50 PM |
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Keep your eye open on Ebay. I got a pair of Willans for about half price.
Gordon
I'm sure I've got one, just don't know where I've put it
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greggors84
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| posted on 1/2/04 at 08:54 PM |
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How much is cheap, managed to get a set of black Luke harnesses for £100 inc Vat and delivery. Which was a little bit less than Sabelts or similar,
but prefered the look of the Lukes
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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craig1410
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| posted on 1/2/04 at 08:59 PM |
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Is that for a pair of harnesses or just one seat's worth?
I'd spend up to £100 if that included vat and delivery for a pair of harnesses. I have seen some for as low as £29 each side plus vat and
delivery.
Does anyone know for sure what the story is on the push button versus turnbuckle release mechanism's for SVA? Also, does it have to be bolted
mounts or are eye bolts and spring catches okay?
Cheers,
Craig.
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Peteff
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| posted on 1/2/04 at 10:03 PM |
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If it can be released single handed and is of the correct size it should be o.k. Eyebolts or bolt ons are acceptable but there has been concern over
the grade of eyebolt used. If they are supplied with the belt they should comply or you may need to supply proof.
yours, Pete
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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TPG
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| posted on 1/2/04 at 10:10 PM |
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Criag.I not sure if the spring/eye type are sva ok.I bolted mine in(8.8's & nyloks).Make sure you can prove that the belts can be
"removed non destructivly"(?)by one person.I nearly failed on mine because the lower mounts on the transmisson weren't captive.But I
pionted out to the tester that the top of the trans tunnel is removeable on mine.Sorted.
I paid 90quid for E marked 4 pionts(pair).Could of saved a tenner,may be a bit more at the shows.I think the 29 quid ones won't be E
marked.
[Edited on 1/2/04 by TPG]
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Viper
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| posted on 1/2/04 at 10:18 PM |
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I find it totaly amazing that people ask about cheap harnesses (and crashhats for that matter). Think about it, this is one major item that could
oneday save your life. Allways buy the best you can afford, your kids might thank you for it one day...
Tim.
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craig1410
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| posted on 1/2/04 at 11:26 PM |
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Viper,
I hear what you are saying which is why I used the term "good value" to begin with. Surely no matter what type of 4 point harnesses I go
for I will be better off than someone with a lap and diagonal! Ideally I want a nice set of 75mm harnesses with turnbuckle fastening but I don't
want to buy them and then find that they aren't SVA friendly. I have read the bit about using a single hand (so to speak...) but it's the
bit about moving in a single direction which worries me. Is circular motion a single direction? I doubt it.
Besides, with all due respect Viper, I don't think you are in a position to talk about safety with no roll bar and using seats with no head
restraint. Using seats with no head restraint is particularly dangerous if you have 3 or 4 point harnesses as it could cause a larger whiplash on the
neck in the event of a collision. All IMHO of course... 
Anyway, as I said, I am keen to complete the car before the end of the summer so I need to avoid overspending in any one area at the expense of
another. I need to position my harness mountings though hence I want to buy a harness to trial fit.
TPG,
I have already bought some high tensile 7/16UNF nuts which I will weld to the bacl of the mounts before the mounts are welded to the chassis. Thanks
for the warning though.
Cheers,
Craig.
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craig1410
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| posted on 1/2/04 at 11:37 PM |
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Guys,
I just came across this on another website:
quote:
There are two methods of fitting a harness to the car.
One method is bolting the eyelet holes of the harness directly to a seat-belt mounting using a simple bolt, nut and washer.
Another solution is screwing eyelet bolts in to the seat-belt mountings and using specially designed clips on the harness to clip through the eyelet.
The advantage of the clip style harness is that it can be more easily removed or changed for another, the disadvantage is that it is not legal for
road use because the law requires a seat belt to be permanently fitted.
Make sure you know which type of harness (fixed or clip) you are buying so you don’t get caught out at MOT time, however, if you keep your existing
inertia belts then you could use the clip style harness legally. It is worth noting that eyelet type bolts can be used as normal bolts, you’ll just
have the metal loop protruding.
I should have mentioned that I also want the harness I buy to have pull down tensioners over the chest. This may rule out some of the cheaper (sorry
better value) harnesses.
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bob
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| posted on 2/2/04 at 12:00 AM |
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theres normally a couple of guys at the shows selling the Sabelt harnesses,i got mine at donington a couple of years back for £80 the pair.
Prices havnt moved on much and you can still i think get the same deal,or as near as dam it.
 
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craig1410
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| posted on 2/2/04 at 08:39 AM |
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Thanks Bob, those look just the job. They're even in my preferred colour! If any suppliers out there are listening and can do these at that sort
of price then please let me know.
Cheers,
Craig.
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Viper
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| posted on 2/2/04 at 11:58 PM |
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Craig.
Before you start shouting about the saftey of my car you should realy get your facts right, firstly me seats have head restraints (Richfield RX777)
and my hoop is as per msa spec for a rear hoop bent for me by a well respected rolll cage manufacturer. I assume your criticism is based on my
pictures, for your information the car is far from finished which if you gave more than just a cursory glance you would see for yourself........
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craig1410
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| posted on 3/2/04 at 09:16 AM |
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Viper,
quote:
Originally posted by Viper
if you gave more than just a cursory glance you would see for yourself........
Now we both know how ite feels to have our attitude to safety criticised based on assumptions and superficial evidence!
I don't want to fall out with you but I was a bit annoyed at your comments about my quest for harness recommendations. I have 3 young kids and
take safety very seriously as you would see if you saw me working in my garage, fully togged up in safety clothing and with a fire extinguisher within
arms reach at all times (not kidding!)
We are building "Locost's" (most of us anyway) and the Locost way to fit seats and seat belts is an old bench seat and a lap and
diag from an old car. Fine for those who have done just this but I wanted a bit more safety and thus spent nearly £350 getting Cobra Roadster 7 seats
and intend to spend around £100 for a pair of good value (Locost) harnesses. The word "cheap" shouldn't really have come into it but
it seems that everyone except you knew what I meant by this anyway hence the other constructive suggestions.
In any event, I think that spending £450 on a pair of good seats and harnesses isn't "cheap" and shows good attitude to safety.
I'm glad that you have fitted a rollbar and head restraint and I apologise for suggesting that your car was unsafe. As I said, I was a bit
annoyed at the time...
'nuff said!
All the best,
Craig.
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Viper
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| posted on 3/2/04 at 11:52 PM |
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Craig.
Willians do a 4 point with reverse adjusters on the lap straps, helpfull when space is tight, but only 50mm straps.£60 ish.
Best shouldr lap adjusters goes to the lightweight sparco on the pro racer series. expensive but bloody comfy, my personel choice is schroth racing,
£130 ish each but top quality..
Tim...
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craig1410
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| posted on 4/2/04 at 12:56 AM |
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Thanks Tim,
Yes there are loads of very nice harnesses out there. I've been quoted £48 each (inc vat) for both Momo and Sparco harnesses with push button
release so I might look into that a bit farther. I like the Willans stuff as it looks good but is also good value.
Decisions decisions...
Cheers,
Craig.
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jacko
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| posted on 5/2/04 at 07:51 PM |
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Craig
try MAC1 sabelt 80pound a pair try
there web site
jacko
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bob
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| posted on 6/2/04 at 08:50 AM |
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Yep same as mine and same price as 2 years back,not seen em for less.
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bob
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| posted on 6/2/04 at 08:52 AM |
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Yep same as mine and same price as 2 years back,not seen em for less.
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