Avoneer
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| posted on 14/5/05 at 09:23 PM |
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Rose jointes lower front bones
Hi,
Can anyone see a problem if I rose-jointed only the back mount on each of the front lower wishbones?
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Northy
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| posted on 14/5/05 at 09:36 PM |
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Not me 
Graham
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Avoneer
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| posted on 14/5/05 at 09:43 PM |
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Would weld a threaded slug into the wishbones ends and screw the rose joint into this.
Will the welded joint be as strong as welding an eye onto the end of the bone?
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Northy
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| posted on 14/5/05 at 09:47 PM |
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It works fine on the rear of the Avon, and many other cars with Rose jointed suspension. As long as the weld is sound, and I'm sure yours
(Carls) will be
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andyps
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| posted on 14/5/05 at 09:47 PM |
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I think that is how the rears on your Avon are done isn't it Pat? Shuld be OK as long as the weld is good enough.
Andy
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Triton
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| posted on 14/5/05 at 10:01 PM |
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Avon bloke....make summat that goes inside the tube then fish mouth the end of the tube as well so you have bigger weld area.....as long as yo use a
quality imperial rose joint not that metric crap you will be ok, they don't last very long though.
Cheers
Mark
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Triton
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| posted on 14/5/05 at 10:03 PM |
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Rose joints are stronger when used on their side if that makes sense...?........so bolt goes down rather than sidey ways as per normal wishbone set
up.......only prob then is movement so spacers or high angle joints might be needed.
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Avoneer
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| posted on 14/5/05 at 10:05 PM |
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Cheers.
Should look "technically engineered" as well with only the back bracket done on each of the front lower wishbones.
Trouble is the bone tube is only 19mm diameter so might be pusing it to fit a 1/2" rose joint.
Anyone know how small a size I could use?
Thanks,
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Peteff
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| posted on 14/5/05 at 10:59 PM |
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What's the point of it?
If you use it for adjustment you'll pull the bush in the front one out of alignment. I can't see any purpose to it.
yours, Pete
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Avoneer
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| posted on 14/5/05 at 11:07 PM |
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Hi Pete,
Was waiting for that question.
One of the eyes on my bones has been welded off centre and I'm not happy with it.
It would be easier, cheaper and quicker to replace this eye with a rose joint.
But would have to do the other side to make it look ok.
Hope it makes sense now.
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gazza285
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 01:28 AM |
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I have been off for a week, somebody correct me if I'm wrong. The pictures I saw of the offending wishbone looked to me as if the mounting holes
were correct but the wishbone tubes (specificaly the rear tube) had been welded on off centre. If this is the case then tally ho, carry on as normal.
If you want to weld in a tube for a rose joint then you still need to ensure that it is in the same plane as the front joint as a rose joint is only
adjustable in one plane.
Peteff is correct as usual.
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gazza285
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 01:35 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Triton
Rose joints are stronger when used on their side if that makes sense...?........so bolt goes down rather than sidey ways as per normal wishbone set
up.......only prob then is movement so spacers or high angle joints might be needed.
Any chance of you proving this bold statement? After many years of working in industry it’s always nice to learn of new thinking.
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niceperson709
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 02:14 AM |
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hi Pat
sounds like a crappy way to fix the problem with your wish bone to me, bite the bullit and make some new bones that are right . by the time you
chase up / make the adaptor and a rose joint you could have made NEW bones
Best wishes
Iain
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Rorty
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 04:46 AM |
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This is just more crap. Make the thing properly and the way it was intended, before you wipe someone else out on the roads.
Cheers, Rorty.
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Rorty
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 04:49 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Triton
.....as long as yo use a quality imperial rose joint not that metric crap you will be ok, they don't last very long though.
Cheers
Mark
The metric ones are just the same as the imperial ones except their threads are different! 
What's your beef with metric rod ends?
Relatively speaking, the Teflon lined rod ends last for quite a long time.
Cheers, Rorty.
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Cita
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 05:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
quote:
Originally posted by Triton
Rose joints are stronger when used on their side if that makes sense...?........so bolt goes down rather than sidey ways as per normal wishbone set
up.......only prob then is movement so spacers or high angle joints might be needed.
Any chance of you proving this bold statement? After many years of working in industry it’s always nice to learn of new thinking.
I dont know exactly what is meant by stronger but they will last a bit longer when used "horizontal" because the loaded area is larger and
therefore less pressure to wear things out.....i think
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Cita
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 05:35 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Triton
.....as long as yo use a quality imperial rose joint not that metric crap you will be ok, ....
Cheers
Mark
Any chance you can tell us where you get that bullshit from?
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Avoneer
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 07:20 AM |
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Language gentlemen please!
I already have a rose joint and a threaded insert, which would make it a lot easier and cheaper and less time consuming, so what would be the
problem?
Both the arms on the bone are parallel and horizontal, it's just one eye that's the problem.
I can do all four mountings if it will make anyone happier.
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rash
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 07:45 AM |
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rose joints
i am also using all four on rose joints metric ones at that cant see a problem many race cars on and off road have been using them for years
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NS Dev
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 08:00 AM |
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I think the more significant downside of Metric rod ends is the fact they are so flipping expensive! Imperial ones (even decent ones) are much cheaper
due to being produced in vast bulk by our friends in the good-ol USofA.
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Rorty
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 08:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
I think the more significant downside of Metric rod ends is the fact they are so flipping expensive! Imperial ones (even decent ones) are much cheaper
due to being produced in vast bulk by our friends in the good-ol USofA.
As are the metric ones. Aurora (the largest RE manufacturer in the US) lists both imperial and metric REs in their catalogue.
There are also many Itilian and German manufacturers of metric REs and they're not expensive.
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Triton
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 08:18 AM |
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Quality rod ends are expensive, cheap ones are just that cheap ones.
They bend if used vertical(ie withbolt running sideyways) they are stronger run flat....just look at any race car that is fitted with
them..........but onsaying that most use fixed 'bones with spherical bearing and gain adjustment at location point on chassis using
shims....which is easier to do and allows fixed settings to be used for different reasons.
Metric may well be rated similar to Imperial but they cost a F*** sight more so use imperial.......
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rash
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 08:18 AM |
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ns dev is that your special in your avatar
i know a couple of grasstrack lads round my area
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Triton
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 08:22 AM |
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Within the motorsport bullshit world it's regarded as being naff to use rod ends on 'bones because it shows perhaps that they are not that
accurate in the first place.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 15/5/05 at 08:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rash
ns dev is that your special in your avatar
i know a couple of grasstrack lads round my area
Yup, on my sideways way to another win 5 weeks ago
Sadly at the meeting after that (last week) I only got 3rd in the final.
Got some new ratios in the gearbox now though (Astra diesel gear cluster!) so fingers crossed!!!!
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