Mr Whippy
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| posted on 14/12/11 at 11:33 PM |
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adding power steering to a SIII Landy
Yeah mines got these huge wide mud tyres which I love the look off, prob is I seriously struggle to even park the car as at low speeds I can hardly
turn the wheel (I'm getting a reputation for hopeless parking)  and driving round town is so very tiring, at this rate I'm going to have
to do weight lifting to cope!
Seeing that I'm happy to weld, what options do I have for a cheap as chips solution to this? anyone do a conversion?
ideas welcome...apart from lose the wide tyres 
ta 
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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blakep82
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 12:06 AM |
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how many cars have some sort of electric power steering? some corsas do don't they?
can the collumn be used to fit?
newer landys must have power steering, can the steering boxes be taken out a defender and put in?
landys haven't changed much over the 60 years or so have they? surely a power steering box must be almost a straight replacement for the older
ones?
any photos of your landy? if i had any money, i want one...
[Edited on 15/12/11 by blakep82]
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bertie_bas205
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 01:20 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
how many cars have some sort of electric power steering? some corsas do don't they?
can the collumn be used to fit?
newer landys must have power steering, can the steering boxes be taken out a defender and put in?
landys haven't changed much over the 60 years or so have they? surely a power steering box must be almost a straight replacement for the older
ones?
any photos of your landy? if i had any money, i want one...
[Edited on 15/12/11 by blakep82]
Theres a huge difference between an S111 and a Landy with power sterring...
For a start the newer 90's are coil sprung and axle/steering set up is totaly different.
The 90's have a steering box in the O/S/F chassis leg, the S111's have a relay set up, a set up with far too many linkages etc....
Not impossible but alot of work....
I have a 2a, its a monster to drive, leaf sprung, drums all round, no PAS and a V8, but the grin ye have driving it makes it all worth while///
blakep82, heres some Land Rover porn for you Sir....
Bertie.
[Edited on 15/12/11 by bertie_bas205]
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PSpirine
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 08:30 AM |
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I had a 2a (no power steering obviously). I think the amount of play in the steering made it seem lighter than it was, but I still didn't
struggle with it too much.
First of all, make sure you have an original series steering wheel (they're bus sized!). I find them way more comfortable and they do add a lot
of leverage. I've seem some jokers put a 13" Mountney wheel on their series and then complain that the steering is too heavy!!
If you're still struggling, I would suggest possibly changing your tyres to something slightly more sensible. I don't know what sort of
severity of mudplugging you do, but if you've only REALLY got your tyres on mostly for the looks, try swap them for something smaller.
It'll make driving your landie much more enjoyable.
Finally, if none of that works and you need power steering, there is a kit out there, but it's not cheap. Can't remember the exact cost
but circa £1500 I think which uses a hydraulic ram arrangement. Apparently it works superbly, and the guy/company that does it are known for excellent
quality aftermarket kit, so if you've got the money, I don't think you'll regret it. Should also have a relatively good resale value
as there aren't too many around.
Unfortunately I'm at work now and don't remember the name of the company, but IIRC it's a Dutch bloke.
And as someone else has said, there is no bolt-on way to swap for a power steering setup from a later model. It IS do-able, but there's a lot of
welding and modding involved, and I certainly wouldn't recommend getting into that..
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mark chandler
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 08:56 AM |
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You discard the relay in the front cross cross member and graft on a classic RR system.
If you dismantle the SIII steering box uou can cut the column about, add a bearing and then take a UJ down to the front if you wish the interior to
remain the same, a lot of work or butcher a RR column.
Have done both, although used a p6 steering box once as this drops through the relay hole if my memory is correct.
Regards Mark
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tomgregory2000
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 10:43 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by PSpirine
I had a 2a (no power steering obviously). I think the amount of play in the steering made it seem lighter than it was, but I still didn't
struggle with it too much.
First of all, make sure you have an original series steering wheel (they're bus sized!). I find them way more comfortable and they do add a lot
of leverage. I've seem some jokers put a 13" Mountney wheel on their series and then complain that the steering is too heavy!!
If you're still struggling, I would suggest possibly changing your tyres to something slightly more sensible. I don't know what sort of
severity of mudplugging you do, but if you've only REALLY got your tyres on mostly for the looks, try swap them for something smaller.
It'll make driving your landie much more enjoyable.
Finally, if none of that works and you need power steering, there is a kit out there, but it's not cheap. Can't remember the exact cost
but circa £1500 I think which uses a hydraulic ram arrangement. Apparently it works superbly, and the guy/company that does it are known for excellent
quality aftermarket kit, so if you've got the money, I don't think you'll regret it. Should also have a relatively good resale value
as there aren't too many around.
Unfortunately I'm at work now and don't remember the name of the company, but IIRC it's a Dutch bloke.
And as someone else has said, there is no bolt-on way to swap for a power steering setup from a later model. It IS do-able, but there's a lot of
welding and modding involved, and I certainly wouldn't recommend getting into that..
Is this the one you are thinking of from gwyn lewis
click on me
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PSpirine
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 11:06 AM |
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No not at all, that's just a hydraulic ram for existing power steering installations.
This is the kit:
http://www.heystee-automotive.com/onlineshop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=30
Cheaper than I thought, but still pricey. Like I said though, Heystee's stuff is extremely well regarded, so it should be a quality piece of
kit.
Don't quote me on this but I THINK you can order it without the hydraulic pump/belt (one of the drop down menus) if you've got an engine
which comes with an existing power steering pump on it (e.g. if you've got a 200tdi conversion?)
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mad4x4
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 11:23 AM |
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Pop over and see the Landy boys at http://forum.difflock.com/
They will have photos and most of the answers, I would expect a Discovery or Rangie steering box mounted on the front chassis leg and run a
discovery or defender pump of the engine.
as for electric , Peugot 106, Citroen Saxo, Skoda Fabia but i'd guess mud tyres would KILL them quickly as they die perodically on the cars
normally.
Somemore landy Porn :
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[Edited on 15/1212/11 by mad4x4]
[Edited on 15/1212/11 by mad4x4]
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wilkingj
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 11:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by PSpirine
No not at all, that's just a hydraulic ram for existing power steering installations.
This is the kit:
http://www.heystee-automotive.com/onlineshop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=30
Cheaper than I thought, but still pricey. Like I said though, Heystee's stuff is extremely well regarded, so it should be a quality piece of
kit.
Don't quote me on this but I THINK you can order it without the hydraulic pump/belt (one of the drop down menus) if you've got an engine
which comes with an existing power steering pump on it (e.g. if you've got a 200tdi conversion?)
Humbug... You beat me to it.
There were a couple of power assisted / rams for the series Landys.
Personally I never had a problem. You soon develop good arm and shoulder muscles.
Also remember that you can easily mount kerbs etc to reduce the work in parking.
Also if you are very brave, some gentle nudging of the ither vehicle is possible.
You wont notice the scratches on the landy However the other person might
Agreed, keep to the Std wheel. Correctly inflated tyres and the right tyres also make a difference.
I tend to admire Women who drives series Landys. Trouble is they tend to end up with arms like Russian Shot Putters
However its all part of owning and loving your Landy.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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mad4x4
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 11:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by wilkingj
No not at all, that's just a hydraulic ram for existing power steering installations.
Personally I never had a problem. You soon develop good arm and shoulder muscles.
Also remember that you can easily mount kerbs etc to reduce the work in parking.
Also if you are very brave, some gentle nudging of the ither vehicle is possible.
You wont notice the scratches on the landy However the other person might
Agreed, keep to the Std wheel. Correctly inflated tyres and the right tyres also make a difference.
I tend to admire Women who drives series Landys. Trouble is they tend to end up with arms like Russian Shot Putters
However its all part of owning and loving your Landy.
Try the Landrover 101 - It is hardwork trying to Parallel park it with no power steering. Tyres 36" Diameter
 
101 On Bridge
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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mad4x4
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 11:43 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bertie_bas205
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
how many cars have some sort of electric power steering? some corsas do don't they?
can the collumn be used to fit?
newer landys must have power steering, can the steering boxes be taken out a defender and put in?
landys haven't changed much over the 60 years or so have they? surely a power steering box must be almost a straight replacement for the older
ones?
any photos of your landy? if i had any money, i want one...
[Edited on 15/12/11 by blakep82]
Theres a huge difference between an S111 and a Landy with power sterring...
For a start the newer 90's are coil sprung and axle/steering set up is totaly different.
The 90's have a steering box in the O/S/F chassis leg, the S111's have a relay set up, a set up with far too many linkages etc....
Not impossible but alot of work....
I have a 2a, its a monster to drive, leaf sprung, drums all round, no PAS and a V8, but the grin ye have driving it makes it all worth while///
blakep82, heres some Land Rover porn for you Sir....
Bertie.
[Edited on 15/12/11 by bertie_bas205]
Looks like Drumclog was that this year ?
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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bertie_bas205
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 07:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
quote:
Originally posted by bertie_bas205
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
how many cars have some sort of electric power steering? some corsas do don't they?
can the collumn be used to fit?
newer landys must have power steering, can the steering boxes be taken out a defender and put in?
landys haven't changed much over the 60 years or so have they? surely a power steering box must be almost a straight replacement for the older
ones?
any photos of your landy? if i had any money, i want one...
[Edited on 15/12/11 by blakep82]
Theres a huge difference between an S111 and a Landy with power sterring...
For a start the newer 90's are coil sprung and axle/steering set up is totaly different.
The 90's have a steering box in the O/S/F chassis leg, the S111's have a relay set up, a set up with far too many linkages etc....
Not impossible but alot of work....
I have a 2a, its a monster to drive, leaf sprung, drums all round, no PAS and a V8, but the grin ye have driving it makes it all worth while///
blakep82, heres some Land Rover porn for you Sir....
Bertie.
[Edited on 15/12/11 by bertie_bas205]
Looks like Drumclog was that this year ?
Yeah that was Drumclog, a couple o years ago now...
I go down at least 2-3 times a year....
Are ye a BORDCer??
I recognise that lightweight from somewhere...
Bertie.
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mad4x4
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| posted on 15/12/11 at 07:37 PM |
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Yeah used to do a lot with BORDC - Portach etc and was at clog a lot. Lightweights now gone live near banchory me thinks.... Still have a zook
for offrading but don't get time.
Andy Hill
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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bertie_bas205
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| posted on 18/12/11 at 04:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
Yeah used to do a lot with BORDC - Portach etc and was at clog a lot. Lightweights now gone live near banchory me thinks.... Still have a zook
for offrading but don't get time.
Andy Hill
Andy Hill.... now i know that name...
You know Naughty T??
Bertie.
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