sillywil71
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 posted on 11/1/09 at 07:35 PM |
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mini diff housing
bike engine in front of mini can you help me?
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blakep82
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 07:37 PM |
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ha ha, think we may need a little more info than that 
we might need an actual question first 
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sillywil71
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 07:44 PM |
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soz i'm new to this,i was going to put engine in back but just thought it mite be easier to go for front mounted
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 07:46 PM |
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Welcome to the madhouse 
Do a search. There are a few people with bike engined mini projects. Not sure if any are front engined though.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 07:52 PM |
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problem is you need the bike engine and box, and some form of final drive (diff)
Rear drive rear engine tends to be transeverse mounted and chain driven to a muffet diff.
Front engine rear drive like locost use a conventional diff nd mount the bearbox on the centreline with the diff offset.
to achieve front engine fwd is near on impossible due to finding room for the diff, chain drive, engine and box and keep it all low enough, and why
bother 
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sillywil71
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 07:56 PM |
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got r1 power unit ,so looks like rwd then
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Omni
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 07:59 PM |
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Hi,
Welcome. I am currently building a Mini with the engine in the front and rear wheel drive. Sound like you might need to do a bit of research. You can
either go with a Live Rear Diff Set up or go for a Sierra Diff with you own home made independant rear suspension.
What engine are you going to use? Have you thought about how you are going to cut the tunnel and run the prop? How are you going to maintain ridgidity
in the shell? How are you going to mod the front sub frame or are you going to make a custom one?
Sorry but these are just a few of things you will need to look at. A good place for some info is The Mini
Forum. Also have a look on the Mac 1 website for Nick Mossop's Front Engine rear wheel drive Mini. There is an artical on it.
HTH.
O
[Edited on 11/1/09 by Omni]
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COREdevelopments
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 08:01 PM |
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welcome! there is a company called PROmotive who specialize in fwd mini bec. also have you tried the mini forum? the have a section for zcars minis
and other projects like you mention.
atb
Rob
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sillywil71
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 08:04 PM |
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got solid shell with cage(not welded in yet)i just thought maybe use somehow mini gearbox
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Omni
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 08:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
problem is you need the bike engine and box, and some form of final drive (diff)
Rear drive rear engine tends to be transeverse mounted and chain driven to a muffet diff.
Front engine rear drive like locost use a conventional diff nd mount the bearbox on the centreline with the diff offset.
to achieve front engine fwd is near on impossible due to finding room for the diff, chain drive, engine and box and keep it all low enough, and why
bother
It is not near impossible at all. I have seen several front engine rear wheel drive Mini's. Read above 
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sillywil71
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 08:06 PM |
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cheers everyone i appreciate all your help
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Omni
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 08:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sillywil71
got solid shell with cage(not welded in yet)i just thought maybe use somehow mini gearbox
Without trying to sound rude, if defo looks like you need to do a bit of research. A motorbike engine has it's own gearbox and there would be no
way for you to get it working with a Mini gearbox.
What cage do you have? Got any pics of the Mini?
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sillywil71
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 08:11 PM |
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yeah i have bike engine and box,mini gearbox i would't use its just the fact the shafts would slot in ,i was thinking chain drive diff
somehow(remove gears from gearbox)i'll show pic's of mini soon
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Omni
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 08:16 PM |
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You will have to make you own front subframe for the Mini or buy the Pro Motive one. As suggested you best bet is to look at Pro Motive who make a
front wheel drive Mini Kit
Here is a pic of what you would be talking about
Link to Pro Motive HERE
HTH.
O
[Edited on 11/1/09 by Omni]
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sillywil71
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 08:19 PM |
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finished pic is last mini, turbo power other is my new one
 
Rescued attachment 23072008056.jpg
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Omni
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 08:23 PM |
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Cool. You may wanna resize it though as it hard to see lol.
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Omni
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 08:28 PM |
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Here is mine
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Still has the A Series in it at the mo though.
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iank
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 08:49 PM |
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More useful links to read, plenty of people putting Bike engines in FWD mini's.
Kawasaki ZZR1100-Powered FWD
http://www.16vminiclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9699
Another company doing FWD R1 kits
http://www.miniexvo.com/
and best of all a build diary of an R1 FWD with lots of photos
http://www.r1manx.com/Home.html
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Omni
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 09:32 PM |
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Nice one iank
I didn't know about the Minexvo. Looks cool
That R1 Manx build page will be VERY useful for me too. Ta'
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sillywil71
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| posted on 11/1/09 at 10:08 PM |
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yeah all links are very welcome just need the diy spec as everything mega money
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iank
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| posted on 12/1/09 at 02:25 PM |
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The build diary link I posted is to someone who's engineering the whole thing themselves so is the closest you'll get to a diy spec.
Basically you'll need the engine, a chain drive diff, driveshafts and a frame to hold engine, diff, suspension to the front of the car and in
the correct positions.
The diff can be obtained from a number of sources or even made yourself if you have the facilities. Apart from the engine this is going to be the
most expensive component.
Going to look something like these
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=101208
See http://www.westgarage.co.uk/forsale/kits/kit1.html
which shows one commercial source (IIRC the company is run by one of our members).
The frame is usually made by modifying the mini front subframe (as done by promotive), but can be a complete fabrication from steel tube if you
prefer. For some reason the companies that make these commercially charge a lot more than you'd expect compared with kit car company chassis
prices.
Lots of pictures of modifications needed for most engines over on 16v mini club and plenty of inspiration.
http://www.16vminiclub.com/forums/index.php
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