scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 14/2/04 at 08:35 PM |
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Anti roll bar question
Hi, I'm trying to set up an anti roll bar at the rear of my car and can't figure out how to attach it to the rear wishbones. Has anyone
got any advice and preferably photos of how theyve done it?
Pete
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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JoelP
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| posted on 15/2/04 at 12:54 AM |
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being an MK, id speak to martin and see if he has any good advice about it - you never know, he might make rear bones with some sort of mounting point
on it.
Do you feel an antiroll bar is necessary? People in the past have implied that strong springs reduce roll anyway. I suppose that the rear springs are
softer than the front so maybe they need more assistance. Not being controversial, just wondering!
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 15/2/04 at 01:15 AM |
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Sorry I didn't make myself clear - it's not actually for my MK, it's for a racing Westfield that we're currently setting up
for next season. We've got the anti-roll bar but we haven't figured out how to attach it to the rear 'bones yet
Pete
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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macspeedy
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| posted on 15/2/04 at 03:29 PM |
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tips
http://www.grmotorsports.com/swaybars.html
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macspeedy
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| posted on 15/2/04 at 03:32 PM |
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should be similar for the back..
 
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macspeedy
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| posted on 15/2/04 at 03:33 PM |
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and
 
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macspeedy
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| posted on 15/2/04 at 03:35 PM |
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not so easy to make out, but neater
 
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 15/2/04 at 05:54 PM |
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Thanks for those, but I'm actually fitting it to the rear wishbones
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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macspeedy
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| posted on 15/2/04 at 05:56 PM |
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yeah i know but they are still wishbones?
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 15/2/04 at 06:03 PM |
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Yeah but we think the connection will be different - at the front the bar was attached to the shock mounting points but we won't be able to do
that at the back
Pete
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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macspeedy
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| posted on 16/2/04 at 09:40 PM |
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Found one for you http://www.westicles.net/
it is hidden away in the orange car/ development/ rear arb
hope that helps good luck with your racing!
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Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 17/2/04 at 09:53 AM |
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A common solution is to use a rosejoint SRE bearing attached to one of your existing wishbone bolts.
Cruise the photos on this site for ideas:
http://race-cars.com/carsold/hf.htm
 
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 17/2/04 at 08:24 PM |
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this is the cutest antirollbar I have ever seen, totally different but with the same net result, and totally adjustable
 
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If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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trackfodder
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| posted on 18/2/04 at 02:33 AM |
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anti-roll bar
we seem to be going in opposite directions. yesterday I asked the teesside forum if the one on my 1983 corrola differential was worth its weight on a
car 2ft. tall. appears easy to mount, but is it necessary?
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Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 18/2/04 at 10:08 AM |
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Guys, in Allan's HSLC book there is an extract about anti-roll bars. Allan could never tell if his front anti-roll bar made a difference on his
Terrapin whereas others swore by them. The rear was always considered a bonus - the weight is at the rear on a Terrapin. It was said that Stirling
Moss could tell the difference in the car handling if the bar diameter was increased or decreased by 1/16 of an inch.
It's all trial and error, seat of the pants stuff (unless you have documented data from other users) - one of the reasons for making the
outboard top mounts from the suspension links adjustable is to make adjustment / stiffness easy.
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eddymcclements
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| posted on 19/2/04 at 01:54 PM |
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I heard it was Graham Hill....!
Eddy
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Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 19/2/04 at 02:28 PM |
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I think your right Eddie - I'm getting dyslexic in my old age!
How's that excellent car of yours coming on?
I hope you don't experience too much BTMP like I did a good few years back - Ah - but it was worth it!
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eddymcclements
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| posted on 19/2/04 at 11:24 PM |
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Car is progressing very slowly at the moment, because another project has been taking a lot of time over the last 4 months - see
this link here for an explanation!
Pardon my ignorance, but what's BTMP?
Regards,
Eddy
P.S. Thanks for the book! You have a lot to answer for. Once this Locost is finished I have to build a Terrapin with a longitudinally-mounted engine
(like the BDA-powered Gould cars) but using either 1. a 3-litre Alfa V6 or 2. the 3.2-litre V8 out of the front of a Lancia Thema 8.32.
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Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 20/2/04 at 09:16 AM |
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Baby Takes More Priority
saw your latest "project" on your site Eddie.
I have photos like that! Now they want to borrow/drive it - beware!
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Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 20/2/04 at 09:25 AM |
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PS: If you build the Terrapin it sounds like it will be some monster!
Joking aside, I have exactly the same thoughts. This build is to construct a realistic replica of the original record breaking car - The next well
...have you seen the V8 Hayabusa engine??
 
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JoelP
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| posted on 20/2/04 at 09:41 AM |
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Good lord!
that looks like a MEGA expensive engine!!! How much and where?!?
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mackie
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| posted on 20/2/04 at 10:05 AM |
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I can't remember the company but istr that it costs about £15k. That gearbox looks new, I doubt the price includes that. It makes about 300bhp
and 170lbft of torque from 2l. It's a little bit sexier than a tuned zetec
Now someone just needs to bolt a turbo to it 
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Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 20/2/04 at 10:10 AM |
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Your right, I've seen figures like £18k quoted!
I'm ordering mine when I win the roll-over!
Seriously, Eddie has identified the only real route to do this unless you have cash to burn.
The beauty of the Terrapin race is the chassis and suspension are relatively easy to construct and costs are low.
So you can concentrate on your power plant and drivetrain. If you fit a super motor then MG Vented discs all round is an easy route to stopping on a
sixpence.
real motors!
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James
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| posted on 20/2/04 at 10:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mackie
I can't remember the company but istr that it costs about £15k. That gearbox looks new, I doubt the price includes that. It makes about 300bhp
and 170lbft of torque from 2l. It's a little bit sexier than a tuned zetec
Now someone just needs to bolt a turbo to it
Mackie,
I think you're on about the Cyclone that was in the Quantum Extreme car:
http://www.cyclonepowerltd.co.uk/products.htm
It's 2 R1 blocks bolted together- for £15K  It does a whole 300BHP for that too!
Don't know if it's tunable. When a 400BHP 'busa is £8K what the hells the point! If someone's done a twin 'busa
tho' that really would be interesting!
James
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Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 20/2/04 at 10:51 AM |
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Assume it's tuneable also - 800BHP
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