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Err... I've been rather a twit. Help?
Hello Chaps/Chap-esses.
Now, I am about to admit to something extraordinarily stupid. I do realise quite how unbelievably daft this is, and I am expecting some (well
deserved) micky taking for it, but any locostbuilders advice would be very gratefully received.
As some of you may know I brought the burgundy 1.3 xflow'ed Sylva Stylus that was up for sale in September/October. The problem being that when
I went to view and then later collect it, I totally forgot to check the VIN and V5 matched up. This is silly to say the least, and quite unlike me,
I'm not really sure what happened. Anyway, mid November rolled 'round and I still hadn't received the new V5. I text the previous
seller to check he had posted it. He said it had only just gone off and I should be expecting it soon. On Wednesday (21st Dec) I asked again as it
still hadn't appeared, and he said it had definitely gone, and offered to phone the DVLA to see what was happening. Alarm bells started ringing
(a couple of months too late), and I did a HPI check. The VIN stamped to the bulkhead of the car does not match what is registered with the DVLA. The
VIN on the bulkhead is of the SABTVR0 type, which is a DVLA kit car issue I believe? I cannot find one obviously stamped to the chassis, although I do
need to have a better look underneath. I don't know what the rules were in June '98 when it was registered (?!), but I find it odd that a
riveted bulkhead plate is enough. I think this was a changeover year for the rules regarding registering kit's, but I don't know the
in's and out's and I don't have much in the way of paperwork (again, stupid). The reg correctly points to a red Sylva 1.3 (model is
not listed), and it has a current MOT but with the incorrect VIN listed.
Anyway, I would much appreciate knowing the history of the car so I can try to work out what has (or hasn't) happened, in a desperate attempt to
find I haven't completely wasted loads of money on an illegal shed. The previous owner was known as flipper123 on the clubstylus forum, and the
owner before that was drhunter. They were both quite active members on clubstylus according to google, but I can't seem to sign up to look at
their profiles. 'flipper123' or Craig lived in Somerset, and 'drhunter' Dave lived in Newcastle. Does anybody on here know
these two and what they were doing with the car? The owner before this was the builder, and I can't find anything about him/her.
To be honest the main thing I am after is to not be in trouble with the Police/DVLA, and less interested the cash I have lost. If I can achieve that
and have a usable car, all the better!
Any locoster advice would be hugely appreciated. I am trying to get hold of the previous owner, but he's not answering his phone at the minute,
and I will crawl about underneath it to search for a chassis stamp after Christmas. I find it odd that the car has been around for so long without
ever having an issue, especially with the two previous owners obviously using the car. Obviously the car is currently off the road.
I feel like a complete idiot, and I'm completely gutted. Help?!
P.s. Happy Christmas all.....
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 04:38 PM |
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Have you tried applying for the V5 ? Or would that potentially open a can of worms, others with more knowledge will be a long I'm sure.
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HowardB
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 04:40 PM |
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may I suggest some pictures and a cross posting to the JPSC too. Also have you googled the previous owners mobile number to see where else he may have
been active?
Good luck
ps I can cross post at JPSC if that helps,...
Howard
Fisher Fury was 2000 Zetec - now a 1600 (it Lives again  and goes zoom)
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MkII
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 04:41 PM |
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me! has u2u.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 04:46 PM |
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DVLA are very slow at the moment, I have waited 6 weeks for my documents to come through on a car purchase, I would give it a few more weeks before
stirring the murky waters.
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Alfa145
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 04:57 PM |
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I'll stick a post over on ClubStylus pointing back to here for you. Although the a guy called StylusSprinter is very knowledgable on the stylus
and is known to frequent the JPSC forum too so post up there and he might be able to help out.
My Stylus also has a plate riveted to the bulkhead so it is a common thing.
Stick some pictures of it up and someone might recognise it.
[Edited on 23/12/11 by Alfa145]
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philw
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 05:07 PM |
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It probably won't have a number stamped on the chassis, mine never, it just had a plate glued on top of the pedal box with the number on there,
i wouldn't worry.
As someone has said, Rob Farley(stylus sprinter) the old bugger will know, register on club stylus.be and ask
[Edited on [1324660260R0=053131p: by philw]
[Edited on [1324660335R0=053131p: by philw]
Must try harder
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me!
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 06:05 PM |
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Thanks chaps- its good to be a member of a forum full of helpful people!
This is a picture from when 'drhunter' owned it:
 
Description
and here is the eBay link from shortly before I got hold of it:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260862104551&clk_rvr_id=300060499312
I think waiting a few weeks before waking up the DVLA may be a good plan! I would just apply for another V5, but you need the VIN....
As for posting elsewhere, I've not had much joy with even signing up to various other sites! I've tried several times to register for
clubstylus, JPSC and also the Westfield forum. I get the same response from all 3, 'an admin needs to enable your account, you will get an email
when this has been done'. No email ever arrives. I gave up in the due to the level of support on here!
HowardB, if you could post on the JPSC forum I would appreciate it- thanks.
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spiderman
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 06:27 PM |
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Hi,
That looks like the car "Dave Hunter" has posted up on the front page of "club stylus ." I know DH2 (top bloke, sent me a
free radiator from the Stylus he is rebuilding) is registered on the site and he may be able to help.
Spider
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MattD
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 06:54 PM |
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Clubstylus forum
Hi me!
I'm a stylus forum moderator.
We get plenty of robots trying to signon as forum members.
If you chose a strange username good chance you got canned as spam.
Try again & u2u me the info & I'll look out for you !
I know your car, but not the detail of its sva / reg process.
Rgds
Matt
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r1_pete
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 07:04 PM |
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DVLA had a batch of V5s stolen, and are in the process of re-issuing them on a revised form, they are usually crap, so such an excersize is bound to
bring out the worse in them.
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jacko
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 08:30 PM |
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http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/members/flipper123/
He is a member on here by the looks of things
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/members/drhunter/
Ditto
[Edited on 23/12/11 by jacko]
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DH2
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| posted on 23/12/11 at 09:08 PM |
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I don't think I can add much to this thread now.
Other than perhaps completing the circle - the car I am rebuilding is the one PhilW is referring to, and I should be round to me! tomorrow to drop off
the fuel tank...
DH2
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RichardK
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| posted on 24/12/11 at 08:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jacko
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/members/flipper123/
He is a member on here by the looks of things
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/members/drhunter/
Ditto
[Edited on 23/12/11 by jacko]
But both last on here in March 11
Hope you get it sorted mate
Cheers
Rich
Gallery updated 11/01/2011
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Alfa145
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| posted on 24/12/11 at 05:30 PM |
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Some more details here: http://www.clubstylus.be/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1054&p=8964#p8964
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me!
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| posted on 31/12/11 at 12:20 PM |
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Sorted!
I managed to get hold of the previous owner- he had been ill and not answering his phone, and wasn't trying to avoid me. It turns out there had
been a Sylva Autokits plate on it, which he removed when removing some other part. It was still sat in the back of his garage...... I now have the
original Sylva chassis number from that, which according to HPI is what is registered with the DVLA, so all appears legit. He has applied for a new V5
so that can be transferred when it arrives. I have no idea why there is a SABTVR0 type VIN on it as well, and to be honest I don't care as it
appears I have a legal car.
Woohoo! 
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Nash
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| posted on 31/12/11 at 12:40 PM |
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Good to see a happy ending to this. AND if I may say so thats looks like a nice car for that kind of money.
..........Neil
It's What You Do Next That Counts.
Build It, Buy It, Drive It:
Southern Kit Car Club
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me!
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| posted on 10/2/12 at 01:45 PM |
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Time for a quick update.....
The V5 turned up this morning, only 3 months and 28 days after the sale! Interestingly, it shows the VIN to be the DVLA issued SABTVR0 type that has
been attached to the bulkhead all along, not the Sylva issued chassis number that shows up if you search using HPI/mycarcheck/etc. I have no idea what
has happened, but somewhere along the line the DVLA appear to have made a balls up. Slightly complicated by the previous owner removing the Sylva
plate....
Hopefully someone (i.e., me!) will have learnt something from this and be a bit more thorough when purchasing cars in the future. How much I now trust
HPI I'm not sure!
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alfas
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| posted on 20/8/15 at 09:11 PM |
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its an old thread, which i found today...but thats exactly the correct procedure!!
every kit comes with a specific sylva chassis-number. e.g. SP91090 for the 90th Sylva Phoenix kit built in 1991
but depending on donor and the mood of the dvla people, they will issue a SABTVR..... number.
this number supersedes sylva“s kit number.
so finally you have a SABTVR number written in the V5c, maybe also stamped in the chassis (as this job is up to the builder), but the builder might
still rivet the origial sylva chassis-id plate to the car.
so basically you have 2 chassisnumbers now, but only the SABTVR is the "legal" one.
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