Viper
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 07:39 PM |
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Braided brake hoses
Today i went to see our friendly Goodridge supplier, He told me that if you have braided hoses fitted to your car and they are not TUV approved ones
you are more than likely to fail SVA and MOT's, you might get away with it today but not for much longer...this wasn't a sales ploy as he
doesn't keep TUV hoses only race stuff..
for those that don't know TUV hoses have crimped ends not the screw together jobbies.
Tim
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JoelP
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 07:55 PM |
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mark allanson and northy know something about this one. cant remember myself what it was, but what you say sounds familiar.
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 08:44 PM |
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As far as I understand it, as long as the pipe has an internal supporting tube, it is a pass. The olive works as a 360 degree crimp
 
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If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Viper
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 10:18 PM |
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Not any more apparently.
Tim
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Hellfire
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 10:27 PM |
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At Beverley it was one of the first things that he checked. Our's were crimped on...
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 10:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Viper
Not any more apparently.
Tim
Got any more datails, SVA manual references etc?
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Viper
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 08:04 AM |
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No details yet, but i don't think this guy was steering me wrong, as i went in there to buy enough goodridge to run throughout the entire car,
the bill would have been around the £200 mark, but as they dont have the machinery to do TUV fittings, he didn't make a penny out of me.
He did say this reg was being brought in because of people self assembeling brake lines have got the olive wrong and they give way under pressure,not
a nice thought,
So my advice to anyone about to buy braided flexis, make sure they are TUV/FMVSS106 (crimped ends)
Tim
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Northy
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 08:12 AM |
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I haven't got the latest update of the SVA manual, but someone on here must have. I'm sure someone who has specifically said what Mark did
was writtern in there. Supporting tube = OK.
Can someones fall on the scanner perhaps? 
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing!
"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?"
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Viper
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 09:03 AM |
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So how does the sva man know if there is a supporting tube inside? are there any external markings?
Tim.
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Northy
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 10:11 AM |
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I've bought a spare end to show him. So has Mark I believe.
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing!
"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?"
Built 2L 8 Valve Vx Powered Avon
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NS Dev
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 10:13 AM |
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My SVA copy (latest "draft" from VOSA website) says you need an internal support tube. If the inspector gives problems, I will have a
spare fitting to show him, if there is still a problem then it looks like the hoses will come apart in front of him and be rebuilt (with new olives)
in front of him, there is NOTHING in the manual that requires TUV approved parts.
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Viper
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 10:35 AM |
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I note the word "DRAFT"
Use whatever fittings you like, but i know which ones i am going to use.
Tim
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NS Dev
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 10:44 AM |
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Viper, I wasn't getting annoyed with you, I was annoyed by the RIDICULOUS legislation that you suggest may be brought in!
Mr TUV and SVA don't like screwed end fittings then, well ermmm, lets see, these were developed for use in helicopters around the time of
Vietnam so that their hydraulic systems could be serviced in the battlefield without needing to carry a flipping great crimper round!! They are now
used in military (and commercial) spec aviation applications worldwide, I think these are a little more demanding than your average car brake hose!!
(a bit more publicity if an airliner crashes!)
Next point, the failure of braided hoses, when it eventually does happen (they are lifed, but so are rubber ones!!) is that the stainless braids
fatigue and snap, then the sharp ends push through the teflon inner thus bursting the hose. (this is according to Think Automotive, suppliers of
braided hose to various specs including military) Having a crimped end will make no difference here, the braiding will still fatigue!!!
STUPID ARSE REGULATIONS MAKE MY BLOOD BOIL
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Viper
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 10:54 AM |
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Screwed fittings work fine, we all know this, the problem has arisen because muppets buy these lines "on the roll" and fit them together
wrong causing a dodgy joint,unfortuanatly there are a lot of muppets out there thats why we have SVA in the first place, so if you want to blame
someone then blame the muppets.
Tim
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Peteff
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 10:58 AM |
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Someone on here reported a failure of one on the way home from SVA  .
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:04 AM |
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that was bob,they were made by think automotive
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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wicket
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 04:45 PM |
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The attached is from section 16.4 para 4 in the latest issued SVA manual and supports Mark A's picture above.
 
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spunky
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 06:02 PM |
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I went for SVA last week. I have Goodridge hoses fitted and the inspector never mentioned anything about them. So if it is the latest regs then it
hasn't filtered down yet.
But apparently dB limit is 98 since April but Notts are still testing to 101dB.
Regs also make me mad. painted out half of my front indicator today so the remaining bit of the lens is above 350mm.... Madness!
John
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Northy
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 06:45 PM |
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98 dB? Thats half as load as 101 dB!
I think that jumps a little harsh!
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing!
"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?"
Built 2L 8 Valve Vx Powered Avon
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wicket
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 07:04 PM |
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Section 17 of the latest issue of the SVA manual says it must not exceed 101dB
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Peteff
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 07:48 PM |
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I have Goodridge hoses fitted
If they are genuine Goodridge they are compliant as they are crimped.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Viper
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 09:31 PM |
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Not all goodridge hoses are crimped, only the TUV approved ones are.
Tim
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spunky
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 08:02 AM |
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Sorry, should have been more specific. I have non TUV Goodridge hoses, ie screw fittings.
I read on here that dB was 98, dont know of its authenticity.
John
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NS Dev
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 08:35 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by wicket
The attached is from section 16.4 para 4 in the latest issued SVA manual and supports Mark A's picture above.
as I said, the "book" says ferrule type fittings ARE ok!! (see above)
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Viper
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 09:11 AM |
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Time will tell.
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