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Phoenix fettling
jeffw - 5/2/16 at 10:19 PM

The Phoenix is currently at Fury sportscars getting a bunch of work done. This includes a replacement roll hoop to meet the new MSA regs, blade ARB and sort out splitters/diffusers/






Part 2 will include changing the clutch/pedals, the parts have started to arrive






[Edited on 5/2/16 by jeffw]


mark chandler - 5/2/16 at 11:34 PM

That's a big hole at the back to fill in, I can see why you were not looking forward to that.

What's the venting above the NSR for?


jeffw - 6/2/16 at 06:34 AM

The vents are for the exhaust which runs up over the axle and exits at the rear of the car. The panel that was cut out will be going back, which is why someone else cut it out !


adithorp - 6/2/16 at 07:54 AM

Shouldnt that be Phoenix phoetling?


HowardB - 6/2/16 at 08:01 AM

It's looking good. I was going to ask when it might be finished, but realise that they are never finished. ... just growing and evolving


jeffw - 6/2/16 at 08:49 AM

quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
Shouldnt that be Phoenix phoetling?


"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire


jeffw - 6/2/16 at 08:49 AM

quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
It's looking good. I was going to ask when it might be finished, but realise that they are never finished. ... just growing and evolving


Finished...not sure what you mean?


gaz_gaz - 6/2/16 at 11:30 AM

I was over the other day and seen the work that had gone into making the platforms.. Looks a cracking job.

Are you able to drop the tank out the bottom should the need arise?


jeffw - 6/2/16 at 12:05 PM

Yes. the tank will be removable now as well.


jeffw - 6/2/16 at 04:26 PM

Blade ARB all connected up


Arkwright - 6/2/16 at 09:08 PM

Some nice mods going on there.
I`ll be interested to see how your splitter and diffuser are done as I`d like to add both to my Phoenix.
Are you having a diffuser custom made or buying one ?


jeffw - 6/2/16 at 11:05 PM

Once they are done I'll post some pictures. It isn't very complicated


Arkwright - 7/2/16 at 09:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
Once they are done I'll post some pictures. It isn't very complicated


Cheers buddy. I`ll look forward to them. I`m currently exploring which diffuser to buy as I don`t have a sheet metal folder so need to find the best size for the car, the carbon ones are nice but a bit pricey for me.


mark chandler - 7/2/16 at 12:13 PM

Mines a bit of 5mm ply, work in process

https://picasaweb.google.com/102680160261680183167/FuryRebodyOfLocostChassis#slideshow/6248520364966792946

Raising the bonnet could be an issue, I have placed the hinges below the nose cone to allow it to lift without crashing into the ground, I,m also reducing the the size of the grill hole.

https://picasaweb.google.com/102680160261680183167/FuryRebodyOfLocostChassis#6248611432723671634

Needs shaping and blending in.

[Edited on 7/2/16 by mark chandler]

[Edited on 7/2/16 by mark chandler]


jeffw - 7/2/16 at 12:53 PM

https://jpsc.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1098&p=7947&hilit=splitter#p7947

or Matt's blog

http://matt-phoenix.blogspot.co.uk/


Arkwright - 7/2/16 at 06:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mark chandler
Mines a bit of 5mm ply, work in process

https://picasaweb.google.com/102680160261680183167/FuryRebodyOfLocostChassis#slideshow/6248520364966792946

Raising the bonnet could be an issue, I have placed the hinges below the nose cone to allow it to lift without crashing into the ground, I,m also reducing the the size of the grill hole.

https://picasaweb.google.com/102680160261680183167/FuryRebodyOfLocostChassis#6248611432723671634

Needs shaping and blending in.

[Edited on 7/2/16 by mark chandler]

[Edited on 7/2/16 by mark chandler]


I like the way you`ve blended that into the front arches will look cool when its finished I`m sure.


[Edited on 7/2/16 by Arkwright]

[Edited on 7/2/16 by Arkwright]


Arkwright - 7/2/16 at 06:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
https://jpsc.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1098&p=7947&hilit=splitter#p7947

or Matt's blog

http://matt-phoenix.blogspot.co.uk/


This looks more straight forward to make and a sheet of ply is usually 8 feet by 4 feet so wider shouldn`t be a problem.
Great info about air flow around the front wheels hadn`t realised this could cause lift.
I`m hoping to make my bonnet lift off but haven`t thought out a strong enough way to mount such a heavy bonnet yet on 4 pins. could mount the brake ducts off the splitter so they stay in situ but I`m worried if I mount the bonnet wrong it could crack.
Anyone seen this done before.


mark chandler - 7/2/16 at 07:40 PM

This is how they will both end up, no gap between the nose cone and splitter to let the air out, I am hoping this will force the front down as the canards are part of the whole front now and be directed past the wheels.

https://picasaweb.google.com/102680160261680183167/FuryRebodyOfLocostChassis#slideshow/6248611407975901970

I really need to treat the rear in the same fashion but this is taking longer than expected so running out of time to my first sprint of the year.

[Edited on 7/2/16 by mark chandler]


Arkwright - 7/2/16 at 08:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mark chandler
This is how they will both end up, no gap between the nose cone and splitter to let the air out, I am hoping this will force the front down as the canards are part of the whole front now and be directed past the wheels.

https://picasaweb.google.com/102680160261680183167/FuryRebodyOfLocostChassis#slideshow/6248611407975901970

I really need to treat the rear in the same fashion but this is taking longer than expected so running out of time to my first sprint of the year.

[Edited on 7/2/16 by mark chandler]


Mine has had the rear arches flared similar to how you are doing yours. I want to sort front splitter and diffuser and my aero will be sorted.
Hope this link works as I`m a technophobe when it comes to posting pics. if not copy and paste should work.

http://flickrhivemind.net/blackmagic.cgi?id=5727845070&url=http%3A%2F%2Fflickrhivemind.net%2FTags%2Fstuarttaylorphoenix%2FInteresting%3Fsearch_ty pe%3DTags%26textinput%3Dstuarttaylorphoenix%26photo_type%3D250%26method%3DGET%26noform%3Dt%26sort%3DInterestingness%23pic5727845070&user=&flic krurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/30453903@N03/5727845070


jeffw - 7/2/16 at 09:01 PM



Looks very nice. Are you competing in this at MSA events? If so I don't think your cage is compliant with the regs.

[Edited on 7/2/16 by jeffw]


ken555 - 7/2/16 at 10:07 PM

I would guess, thats just after Combine @ Fintray

So yes it's an MSA event.


jeffw - 7/2/16 at 10:15 PM

In which case you might want to look at the Blue Book again regarding ROPS unless the one you have has been homologated by the MSA.


Arkwright - 7/2/16 at 10:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jeffw


Looks very nice. Are you competing in this at MSA events? If so I don't think your cage is compliant with the regs.

[Edited on 7/2/16 by jeffw]


Thanks for putting the pic up. The picture is when the previous owner had it. He used it for hillclimbs in Scotland. so I`m not sure Ken if where you mentioned is in Scotland.
It has an MSA logbook but I presume as you say Jeff with the new regs the rollbar is no longer compliant. I use it for trackdays so it won`t matter to me. I`m sure its still safe as houses and no doubt some desk jockey dreamt up a new roll bar spec. on the back of a single accident somewhere in the world.

[Edited on 7/2/16 by Arkwright]


jeffw - 7/2/16 at 10:31 PM

For trackdays it will be fine


Arkwright - 7/2/16 at 10:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ken555
I would guess, thats just after Combine @ Fintray

So yes it's an MSA event.


Just googled Fintray and yes no doubt you are right as the car came from near Forfar. Well spotted.

Anyway I`m at risk of hijacking this thread so back to you jeff and yes please post pics of your splitter and diffuser when they are done. thanks.


mark chandler - 7/2/16 at 11:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jeffw


My old bangers not going to look that good


MadMaxx - 8/2/16 at 12:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
Blade ARB all connected up




Hi, where I can buy the blade ARB and will it fit also on Fury chassis, that is different from Phoenix one? Is it adjustable from the cockpit and dedicated to a specific stiffness set of springs?


jeffw - 8/2/16 at 01:07 PM

It can be made to fit a Fury (Adi and others have done just that) and it can be made to be cockpit adjustable (again this is something that Adi has done).

You can get them infrequently from US ebay as they are from Indycar single seaters (in my case a Dallara part).


MadMaxx - 8/2/16 at 03:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
It can be made to fit a Fury (Adi and others have done just that) and it can be made to be cockpit adjustable (again this is something that Adi has done).

You can get them infrequently from US ebay as they are from Indycar single seaters (in my case a Dallara part).



Thanks a lot


jeffw - 9/2/16 at 11:18 AM

Flywheel has arrived


HowardB - 9/2/16 at 11:23 AM

mmmmm shiny!

Is there enough weight left in that?


jeffw - 9/2/16 at 11:33 AM

define 'enough'

Easily pick it up with one hand. 3.5Kg


jeffw - 9/2/16 at 11:37 AM

Other side


peter030371 - 11/2/16 at 07:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
define 'enough'

Easily pick it up with one hand. 3.5Kg


Mine is very similar but for a Duratec and a lardy 4kg


jeffw - 11/2/16 at 08:16 PM

I suspect you are "slightly" more than 1/2 Kg lighter than me Pete so you win on that one.


peter030371 - 12/2/16 at 09:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
I suspect you are "slightly" more than 1/2 Kg lighter than me Pete so you win on that one.


lol, that's a very good answer...ever thought of going into Politics! I am, however, a stone heavier than I was a few years ago...that's all the fault of going to the gym too often and not just too many pies so its not a bad thing as such


jeffw - 17/2/16 at 11:06 AM

new Roll Hoop tacked together. This will meet MSA requirements now.





[Edited on 17/2/16 by jeffw]


Arkwright - 17/2/16 at 08:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
new Roll Hoop tacked together. This will meet MSA requirements now.





[Edited on 17/2/16 by jeffw]


What is different between new and old. I`d heard there was change but just not sure what. certainly looks strong.


jeffw - 17/2/16 at 09:39 PM

The old roll-hoop was 38mm with very short front stays. This is not allowed in MSA competition now so the new hoop complies with that requirement as it is 45mm with back stays.


peter030371 - 18/2/16 at 10:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
The old roll-hoop was 38mm with very short front stays. This is not allowed in MSA competition now so the new hoop complies with that requirement as it is 45mm with back stays.


Do the back stays have to be 45mm?


jeffw - 18/2/16 at 11:17 AM

Yes, according to my reading of the regs. Mind you better to be safe than sorry so we took a strict interpretation.

[Edited on 18/2/16 by jeffw]


Arkwright - 26/3/16 at 05:30 PM

How is the rear diffuser coming on ? Any pics.


lsdweb - 26/3/16 at 06:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by peter030371
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
The old roll-hoop was 38mm with very short front stays. This is not allowed in MSA competition now so the new hoop complies with that requirement as it is 45mm with back stays.


Do the back stays have to be 45mm?


Cars pre 1995 can have 38mm main hoops.


jeffw - 26/3/16 at 08:31 PM

But not front stays....


jeffw - 26/3/16 at 08:38 PM

quote:

Cars pre 1995 can have 38mm main hoops.


You've said this to me before but I've just looked in S 10.1 and can't see any such exception. Can you point me at this exception in the 2016 Blue Book?


lsdweb - 26/3/16 at 09:07 PM

Section K 1.4.1 Jeff. I'm on my phone so can't copy the text - sorry.

38mm allowed for all pats of cages prior to 1995.


jeffw - 26/3/16 at 09:14 PM

Minimum Dimensions (Ø in mm)
a) Mandatory tubular members
45 x 2.5 (1.75” x 0.095”) or 50 x 2.0 (2.0” x 0.083”).
38 x 2.5 (1.5” x 0.095”) or 40 x 2.0 (1.6” x 0.083”).
(For roll cages/bars approved prior to 1.1.95).
b)Optional tubular members
38 x 2.5 (1.5” x 0.095”) or 40 x 2.0 (1.6” x 0.083”)

I'd check with the MSA as I read that as ROPS that have been approved prior to 1995 are allowed i.e MSA homologated not vehicles prior to 1995. If your ROPS is not MSA certified it will not be allowed to be 38mm.

Exceptions
The only exceptions to the foregoing requirements for
Saloon, single seater and Sports Cars are as follows:
1.5.1. ROPS manufacturers may make application to
the MSA for a Roll Over Protection System (ROPS)
Certificate to be issued.
Note: ROPS manufacturers wishing to make application
for such a certificate should contact the MSA Technical
Department in order to obtain details of the
requirements to be met and the fees payable. Subject
to these requirements being met a ROPS Certificate
will be raised and issued. Duly authorised copies of this
certificate containing a drawing, photographs, a copy
of the manufacturers declaration that the ROPS meets
the required regulations should be available to event
Scrutineers.
1.5.2. Each ROPS manufactured after 1.1.97 for which
the MSA or the FIA has issued a ROPS (Rollcage)
Certificate must bear an identification plate which details
the manufacturer and the manufacturer’s part number
allocated to the cage. Details of this identity plate