After having loitered here for a good ten years or so, and having spent about 7 of those building the Haynes Roadster, I've finally got an IVA test date.

To say I am apprehensive is an understatement! I'm pretty realistic about failing the first time, but would like to keep it as small a fail as possible.

I'm hoping that the Locostbuilders collective can have a look over the pictures below and point out any glaring errors I've made - any advice is gratefully received.

Also let me apologize for the quality of some of the images; I am patently no photographer!

Without further ado, let me introduce you to the Banshee:





























I've just realised that the pictures don't show it very well but the exhausts end in 90 degree bends angled down towards the road, so the gasses don't go near the wings.

One of my main areas of concern are the lambda sensors; I cocked up when welding the exhausts up, got the left and right exhausts mixed up and the lean-in turned into a lean-out . Also I'm not sure whether the covering in exhaust wrap will work to counter the sharp-edges issue? I'm not sure what else I could do, barring building a cover for them.

Cheers,
Ben

First one i looked for is the one I was told about, your side repeaters will fail where they are due to not being able to see them from 5 degrees from the rear. The new place most people put them either on the front cycle wing side, rear arch front top side or some have put indicator including wing mirrors as the scuttle side is not guaranteed i think.

Jason

Agreed about the side repeaters - I covered the nuts on front ball joints and track rod ends with a 3 layers of butyl pond liner which was held on by a cable tie although most cover them with electrical cable joint covers that are sold by CBS GBS etc. The sharp edges on my exhaust (and my manifold and cat) I wrapped with 50mm heat wrap which the examiner was happy with.
Good luck with IVA

Dash lower edge radius? The boot/door edge seal is an unusual way of padding it so not sure how that will be viewed. I seem to remember something like, if it was padded instead of radiused, it should not be possible to feel anything through the padding by pressing on it.

Side repeaters will fail were they are as the rear arches will obscure them.

Are the cable tie bases secured by more than just sticky pad as that's been an issue others have had.

Nice to see a bit of a different take on a Seven... Thought I'd be concerned about not being seen.

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Thanks for the replies guys, much appreciated!

Just to clarify, the side repeaters are mounted on top of the rear wheel arches, the big amber bits under the roll cage are just reflectors. Now I'm wondering if the side repeaters are too small?

Ian - that's some good tips there, I think I'll follow your lead on the ball joint / track rod end front. Reassuring to hear that the heat wrap approach is acceptable!

adithorp - With the dash lower radius, I passed a core of round rubber up through the central void to make it firmer and stop it wrinkling on the sharp radii, so you can't feel the edge. Hopefully that'll pass

The cable tie bases are all riveted to the structure as well - the exception being on the inside of the rear wheel arches where they are glued in using excessive amounts of sikaflex as I didn't really want to rivet through the wing. If it's the difference between a pass or a fail though that drill and rivet gun will be out faster than you can blink!

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Nice to see a bit of a different take on a Seven... Thought I'd be concerned about not being seen.

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If you have the repeaters on the rear wheel arches they will probably be too far from the front of the vehicle. I followed someone who did an IVA before mine and the examiner told me they would not be ok and showed me the page in the iva manual, can't remember the distance but he was right, I moved them to the front wheel arches for the test

I concur with the concerns of the indicators, and I am not sure you can have side reflectors in that position on a short vehicle.

the other thing that might be an issue is your fuel filler: the roof might put that (and maybe even the tank) within the passenger area.
but maybe it has its own sealed bulkhead on the inside of the bodywork?

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Originally posted by ianhurley20
If you have the repeaters on the rear wheel arches they will probably be too far from the front of the vehicle. I followed someone who did an IVA before mine and the examiner told me they would not be ok and showed me the page in the iva manual, can't remember the distance but he was right, I moved them to the front wheel arches for the test

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Originally posted by gremlin1234
I concur with the concerns of the indicators, and I am not sure you can have side reflectors in that position on a short vehicle.

the other thing that might be an issue is your fuel filler: the roof might put that (and maybe even the tank) within the passenger area.
but maybe it has its own sealed bulkhead on the inside of the bodywork?

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Think you'll be ok with sikaflex bonding on the mounts. I have some ally strips bonded under the Fury bonnet that the headlight loom is tied to and they passed (sva but same rule). It's the sticky backing they don't trust as secure.

I can't see any edging on the front part of the cycle wings

On the rear light mounting it looks looks like the front edge is raised an a bit sharp.

Nice car

Once you've passed can I have your sierra steering wheel?






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Are the front indicators ok there for vision angles?

Nice car! good to see something a bit different too.

Think you need a pair of machine gun barrels poking out from the bonnet bulge, WWII fighter plane stylee.

Do the front damper spring adjuster rings have any sharp edges? If so just use a length of convoluted cable sleeving with a tie wrap inside around the circumference of the damper just below the adjuster, this will prevent the "sphere" contacting the sharp bits. Mark at MAC#1 called this a cock ring!!!

Just a thought, generally,aren't the front wishbones meant to be a front and back of an area that doesn't get checked ?

Jason

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Just a thought, generally,aren't the front wishbones meant to be a front and back of an area that doesn't get checked ?

Jason

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Originally posted by Deckman001
Just a thought, generally,aren't the front wishbones meant to be a front and back of an area that doesn't get checked ?

Jason

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Yes the area enclosed by the wishbones is exempt from the test

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Thanks for the replies, points and complements guys! Going through down the page, here's what I've got:

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Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I can't see any edging on the front part of the cycle wings

On the rear light mounting it looks looks like the front edge is raised an a bit sharp.

Nice car

Once you've passed can I have your sierra steering wheel?


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Are the front indicators ok there for vision angles?

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Originally posted by Slater
Nice car! good to see something a bit different too.

Think you need a pair of machine gun barrels poking out from the bonnet bulge, WWII fighter plane stylee.

Do the front damper spring adjuster rings have any sharp edges? If so just use a length of convoluted cable sleeving with a tie wrap inside around the circumference of the damper just below the adjuster, this will prevent the "sphere" contacting the sharp bits. Mark at MAC#1 called this a cock ring!!!

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Originally posted by Deckman001
Just a thought, generally,aren't the front wishbones meant to be a front and back of an area that doesn't get checked ?

Jason

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Yes the area enclosed by the wishbones is exempt from the test

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Originally posted by gremlin1234
although they are 'exempt'/ 'not tested' it's better to err on the side of safety

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Interesting car! And I mean that in a good way

Rear lights again - make sure you can see at least half of the visible area of the rear light from a 45 degree angle to the side - not sure from the pictures, but it may be they are too masked by the rear structure where they are. (had this issue on my current project, it was marginal so I put a spacer in to move the light unit back a bit - yet to complete it and book an IVA)

Glass, front and rear - is it suitably marked for compliance with the required standards?

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[Edited on 14/9/20 by CorseChris]

You may have to put a bit of u trim on your roll cage front mounting brackets (on the round tubing). Tis what I had to do.

Have you got the receipt for your seatbelt bolts? Or have you checked they have markings on them to confirm their rating?

They look similar to the ones I had and they were not accepted by the tester. I had to swap them out for stronger rated bolts and provide receipt/proof of this.

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Once you've passed can I have your sierra steering wheel?


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Another one for the work list, thanks You're right on the rear lights but I've already put edging around them, so hopefully they'll be OK.


And yep, no worries - on the proviso it gets passed on to the next person who needs one when you're done with it [/Quote]



Yip absolutely, my car came with a nice steering wheel but there's no way it will pass the IVA but will be going right back on again afterwards

Let me know and I'll pay the postage thanks

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Deckman001 - 14/9/20 at 09:42 PM

Hi ya, one other thing I was told about when I asked people about my car, make sure the fog light doesn't come back on if the switch was left on while the lights are turned off and back on the fog light shouldn't come straight back on, it needs to be reset by it's original switch before it comes back on.

CBS have a relay switch that copes with that update since 2015.

Jason

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SteveWalker - 14/9/20 at 10:37 PM

I think that that requirement was removed.

The IVA manual talks about having a tell-tale and:

"The rear fog lamp(s) must only illuminate when dipped beam, main beam or front fog lamps are lit (see alternatives in Notes 3 and 4).

Note 3: front fog lamps may be illuminated with the side lamps only.

Note 4: Either of the following scenarios will also be considered acceptable:

1) The rear fog lamp(s) may continue to operate until the position lamps are switched off, and the rear fog
lamp(s) must then remain off until deliberately switched on again or,

2) An audible warning, additional to the mandatory telltale light, must be activated if the ignition is switched off or the ignition key is withdrawn and the driver's door is opened, whether the lamps in (RS4) are on or off, whilst the rear fog lamp switch is in the "on" position."

As those notes are "alternatives", then the fog lights only working while dipped beam, main beam or front fog lamps are lit seems to be the only requirement.

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Mr Whippy - 15/9/20 at 06:04 AM

Ever get the impression the IVA was written by a bunch of grumpy old gits...?

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nickm - 15/9/20 at 07:18 PM

Hi
I could be wrong but doesnt the fog light have to be within the distance of X on the drivers side ?

Might be worth checking

Good luck

Nick M

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SteveWalker - 15/9/20 at 07:42 PM

No, a fog lamp can be anywhere from the middle of the car outwards, on the driver's side (but not too close to the brake light). If there are two, then they must be symmetrical.

Many manufacturers choose the middle, so that they can get away with one light and the same position for left and right hand drive vehicles. I was somewhat confused with my own tin-top as it has two lights, one either side and even has a bulb in both, but the nearside one didn't work. At first I thought it was faulty, but there were no wires to the nearside!

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nickm - 16/9/20 at 07:28 PM

Glad for the posters sake that hole would have been a bit of a mess !

Nick M

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Badger_McLetcher - 16/9/20 at 09:06 PM

Once again thanks for all the input guys - I've got myself a fair list to work through and check

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Originally posted by CorseChris
Interesting car! And I mean that in a good way

Rear lights again - make sure you can see at least half of the visible area of the rear light from a 45 degree angle to the side - not sure from the pictures, but it may be they are too masked by the rear structure where they are. (had this issue on my current project, it was marginal so I put a spacer in to move the light unit back a bit - yet to complete it and book an IVA)

Glass, front and rear - is it suitably marked for compliance with the required standards?

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Ta muchly I think I did check this when I built it, but double checking definitely costs nothing! If they are too far forwards I'll print up some extenders on the 3D printer.

Aye, glass front and the poly screen on the back are both E marked. The front is a Landy screen cut to size; getting the screen on the back turned out to be a royal PITA and a bit expensive! If I were to do it again I'd probably leave it off for the IVA TBH.

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Originally posted by BenBrooks
You may have to put a bit of u trim on your roll cage front mounting brackets (on the round tubing). Tis what I had to do.

Have you got the receipt for your seatbelt bolts? Or have you checked they have markings on them to confirm their rating?

They look similar to the ones I had and they were not accepted by the tester. I had to swap them out for stronger rated bolts and provide receipt/proof of this.

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Where exactly do you mean on the R/C? if it's the horizontals out front where it mounts to the chassis I've printed some radiused end caps to fit in them

Need to double check the seat belt bolts; I know I bought them from Merlin but need to either find the receipt or make sure they're marked... otherwise it's new bolts Well, my own fault I guess.

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Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Yip absolutely, my car came with a nice steering wheel but there's no way it will pass the IVA but will be going right back on again afterwards

Let me know and I'll pay the postage thanks

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Will do! Of course I've got to find a better wheel first, I don't really want to be steering with mole grips

Deckman001, SteveWalker - thanks for the fog light conversations, it's one I had to read through a couple of times myself.

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Ever get the impression the IVA was written by a bunch of grumpy old gits...?

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Only every time I look at it

NickM and SteveWalker - Glad I interpreted fog light position correctly! To be fair it's actually surface mounted, so only three holes would have needed to be hidden... another roundel may well have done the job! It's the real reason for the ones on the side panels

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Irony - 17/9/20 at 10:30 AM

Hiya,

Nice take of a seven! I always think the pre-iva pics are a huge milestone here at Locostbuilders.

Anyways.....

1. Circle at the end of your roll cage above the side reflectors/repeaters looks to have a sharp radius

2. Do your rear reg lights conform to radii?

3. I can't see a your upper front wheel hubs but do they have a secondary fixing on the mushrooms?

4. As mentioned.. front of the front cycle wings wings radius

5. Does your nosecone obscure your sidelights from a very low angle. I failed on this. Someone lying on the pavement with their head about 300mm of the ground won't see the side light from certain angles because its obscured by the nosecone. There is a specific regulation about this. I had to put led strip side lights on my cycle wings for the retest.

6. You don't show your fuel cap open. It needs to be tethered or opened with a key.

7. Do your upper gages obscure your rear view mirror?

8. Where your steering rack adjusters extend out from the wishbones, does that need a boot on?


Hope this helps!!!!

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Mr Whippy - 17/9/20 at 11:43 AM

So basically wrap your whole car in soft thick foam and cover it with lights pointing in every conceivable direction. Then you'll be fine

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Badger_McLetcher - 17/9/20 at 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Irony
Hiya,

Nice take of a seven! I always think the pre-iva pics are a huge milestone here at Locostbuilders.

Anyways.....

1. Circle at the end of your roll cage above the side reflectors/repeaters looks to have a sharp radius

2. Do your rear reg lights conform to radii?

3. I can't see a your upper front wheel hubs but do they have a secondary fixing on the mushrooms?

4. As mentioned.. front of the front cycle wings wings radius

5. Does your nosecone obscure your sidelights from a very low angle. I failed on this. Someone lying on the pavement with their head about 300mm of the ground won't see the side light from certain angles because its obscured by the nosecone. There is a specific regulation about this. I had to put led strip side lights on my cycle wings for the retest.

6. You don't show your fuel cap open. It needs to be tethered or opened with a key.

7. Do your upper gages obscure your rear view mirror?

8. Where your steering rack adjusters extend out from the wishbones, does that need a boot on?


Hope this helps!!!!

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Ta It certainly feels like a big deal on this end Thanks for your comments - more for the list!

1. I've got 3d printed end caps in there with a 5mm radius, so hopefully will be OK.

2. Yes... just! I may glue some edging on them just to be sure.

3. They do indeed- I drilled and tapped a bolt into them to stop them from moving.

4. Noted

5. I must confess I haven't checked that... another one for the list!

6. It has a key but you can remove it when it's out, so I tethered it

7. They don't, even with the chair all the way forwards - although it is a little close I will admit!

8. I didn't think so? There's no moving parts there?

@Mr Whippy - tempting at this point

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Irony - 17/9/20 at 04:19 PM

Point 8 from above


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I put this extra thick heat shrink on mine so the IVA man with his steel ball couldn't get at the nuts on the rack.

Also note the position of my LED strip side lights. FAILED on this.

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Badger_McLetcher - 17/9/20 at 07:47 PM

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Point 8 from above


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I put this extra thick heat shrink on mine so the IVA man with his steel ball couldn't get at the nuts on the rack.

Also note the position of my LED strip side lights. FAILED on this.

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Ahh gotcha; large heat shrink now on order! Also thanks for the heads up on the sidelights; I'll check the angles and make up some spacers if needs be

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Mr Whippy - 17/9/20 at 10:41 PM

Don't know if it applies to your car or if I'm just being a nob but I was worried about the many sharp cast edges on my sierra uprights especially the steering arm so have just finished attacking the first one with the flapper wheel and some files. Have to say the difference is quite amazing it looks great now painted and not a sharp edge in sight Very glad I did it tbh.

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