matt5964
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| posted on 27/7/13 at 09:10 AM |
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New Velocity XT owner
Hello All,
I have Recently come from Bike's to my first Kit car
A Luego Velocity XT.2.0 ltr crated st170 lump
I cant seem to work out how to post up pic's?
Also I have a question regarding ground clearance as we are in and area were some roads are bumpy, we fitted a sump guard as we were not wanting to
ground out the sump... good job we did as we have caught it a few times, so I have looked into a raceline sump etc.. the shallowest seem to be about
13cm in depth. However our sump on the car now is only 10cm and looks like a standard Zetec sump (again if someone can point me in the right direction
I can put up some pics) we currently have 55mm ish Clarence from lowest point to ground!!
So I'm not sure weather to increase ride height, adj rebound/damping on Gaz collies, change the springs for different weight..[
Any help would be much appreciated
[Edited on 27/7/13 by matt5964]
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 27/7/13 at 10:41 AM |
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Greetings and welcome.
Photo's. Click on photo archive (upper left), scroll down to upload photo's (there is a maximum size but cant remember what it is) and
upload to site.
When posting open new post box and write what you want then there are several methods of showing your photo in post, I usually use the method :
[ img ] (copy and past image location here) [ / img ] but without the spaces within the brackets. When viewing the image within your photo archive it
will also show other ways to show in posts.
I hope this helps.
Also the lowest point on a car, other than deep sumps is usually the bell housing, so try and get some form of protection for the front bottom lip
edge to stop that catching too.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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jacko
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| posted on 27/7/13 at 10:43 AM |
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luego velocity XT
There you go and wellcome to the best forum going 
Jacko
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 27/7/13 at 11:06 AM |
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Very nice :-)
Give a man a fish & it will feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod & you've saved a fish.
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stevegough
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| posted on 27/7/13 at 11:46 AM |
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Welcome to LCB, another velocity owner!
Another way of posting pics is hit the yellow pic button in the buttons above (when in edit mode) then paste in the link from your archive starting
http and ending JPG.....like this: -
Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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matt5964
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| posted on 27/7/13 at 01:28 PM |
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ride height
 
ride height 2
 
sump depth
Thanks for the reply's...I will get there in the end..lol
so from these pic's can anyone advise??
[Edited on 27/7/13 by matt5964]
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 27/7/13 at 02:09 PM |
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Could be my imagination but the bell housing looks very low which makes me suspect the engine mounts might be too low. Most sumps tend to be shortened
to match the bell housing
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matt5964
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| posted on 27/7/13 at 02:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
Could be my imagination but the bell housing looks very low which makes me suspect the engine mounts might be too low. Most sumps tend to be shortened
to match the bell housing
The sump shows no sign of shortening, and the guy we bought it off said the engine was as is came out of the create Looking at the engin mounts if
they wee any higher then the top of the engine woul foul the nose cone neither would the bonnet fit. Am still con fused as to the sump being 10cm
deep
It's a mt75 gearbox if that helps, will have to think about housing as you say
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matt5964
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| posted on 28/7/13 at 06:09 PM |
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Anyone have any ideas ?
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paulf
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| posted on 28/7/13 at 08:42 PM |
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You could gain about 25 mm by shortening the sump if still standard and below the bell housing there is no point in shortening it below the bell
housing however.Is there no room at all for raising the engine? if there is you could put a couple of spacers under the engine mounts to gain a little
more.
My car is a book built chassis which I think is 25 mm lower than the Luego chassis from the bottom rails to bonnet mounting height and I have about 75
mm ground clearance and have not had any problems with bottoming out.I did have to cut a small bit out of the nose cone to clear the engine which is
mounted as high as possible.
Paul
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 28/7/13 at 08:57 PM |
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If it would fail the nosecone lifting the engine, would you be able to lift the engine if it was moved backwards ?
I am wondering if the engine would then sit in the bonnet bulge. Allowing a little more ground clearance ?
I dont have engine etc in my chassis yet so cant tell you whether I will have a similar issue but im using a type 9 gearbox mated to a silvertop
zetec. Standard escort one piece ali sump at the moment but will probably need to shorten it for improved ground clearance.
Maybe the mt75 brings the engine forward more than the type 9 when using the original welded gearbox mount in the velocity chassis ?
[Edited on 28/7/13 by Andybarbet]
Give a man a fish & it will feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod & you've saved a fish.
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 28/7/13 at 09:11 PM |
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Reading back your original question, you say the sump is only 10cm deep, im thinking that must be the steel part of the blacktop zetec sump ?
I think people have mentioned on here the need to still shorten the steel part & pickup pipe.
If I remember correctly the sump is in 2 parts & the top part is ali but looks like part of the engine, unlike the sump on my silvertop which is
in 1 piece.
I reckon the raceline sump replaces both parts of yours so its 13cm but thats much shorter than yours if you account for both parts ?
Hope this makes sense ? If not then maybe someone could post up a picture of a standard blacktop sump so that you can compare it to yours.
[Edited on 28/7/13 by Andybarbet]
Give a man a fish & it will feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod & you've saved a fish.
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 28/7/13 at 09:18 PM |
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Found a blacktop zetec 2 piece sump picture here:
 
Rescued attachment DSC00373.JPG
[Edited on 28/7/13 by Andybarbet]
Give a man a fish & it will feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod & you've saved a fish.
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matt5964
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| posted on 29/7/13 at 05:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by paulf
You could gain about 25 mm by shortening the sump if still standard and below the bell housing there is no point in shortening it below the bell
housing however.Is there no room at all for raising the engine? if there is you could put a couple of spacers under the engine mounts to gain a little
more.
My car is a book built chassis which I think is 25 mm lower than the Luego chassis from the bottom rails to bonnet mounting height and I have about 75
mm ground clearance and have not had any problems with bottoming out.I did have to cut a small bit out of the nose cone to clear the engine which is
mounted as high as possible.
Paul
Thanks I will have a look and see but don't think I can raise the engine with out a lot of bodywork chopping.
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matt5964
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| posted on 29/7/13 at 05:52 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andybarbet
If it would fail the nosecone lifting the engine, would you be able to lift the engine if it was moved backwards ?
I am wondering if the engine would then sit in the bonnet bulge. Allowing a little more ground clearance ?
I dont have engine etc in my chassis yet so cant tell you whether I will have a similar issue but im using a type 9 gearbox mated to a silvertop
zetec. Standard escort one piece ali sump at the moment but will probably need to shorten it for improved ground clearance.
Maybe the mt75 brings the engine forward more than the type 9 when using the original welded gearbox mount in the velocity chassis ?
[Edited on 28/7/13 by Andybarbet]
There does seem to be some room in the engine bay from first look but as you say looks like from underneath the gearbox prevents the moving back of
the engine
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matt5964
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| posted on 29/7/13 at 05:53 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andybarbet
Reading back your original question, you say the sump is only 10cm deep, im thinking that must be the steel part of the blacktop zetec sump ?
I think people have mentioned on here the need to still shorten the steel part & pickup pipe.
If I remember correctly the sump is in 2 parts & the top part is ali but looks like part of the engine, unlike the sump on my silvertop which is
in 1 piece.
I reckon the raceline sump replaces both parts of yours so its 13cm but thats much shorter than yours if you account for both parts ?
Hope this makes sense ? If not then maybe someone could post up a picture of a standard blacktop sump so that you can compare it to yours.
[Edited on 28/7/13 by Andybarbet]
Thanks this could be the issues, not realising the sump could be a 2 part one I will have a look when I get back tonight, I may still be on the path
to getting a raceline sump...
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matt5964
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| posted on 30/7/13 at 06:48 PM |
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Defiantly a two part sump. It will leave the front of the gearbox as the lowest point. Will take some photo's and post to see if its all as I
think.
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matt5964
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| posted on 30/7/13 at 06:48 PM |
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Defiantly a two part sump. It will leave the front of the gearbox as the lowest point. Will take some photo's and post to see if its all as I
think.
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matt5964
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| posted on 13/8/13 at 06:47 PM |
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well I have taken the plunge and ordered a raceline sump...it arrives on Friday so all being well I will get it fitted the week after, also ordered
some Yellow Stuff pads only £95 for front and rear sets.
The Momo Team 280 is now on a NRG quick release and is a lovely bit of kit 0 play and now have a locking blank for when the wheel is off or car left
for added security.
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matt5964
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| posted on 16/2/14 at 10:26 AM |
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Well, today is the start of the first real bit of work to the engine and first real span nearing I have ever done.. Engine is coming out ready for
lots of upgrades now it's run in...going to get me some more ponies.
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matt5964
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| posted on 16/2/14 at 07:45 PM |
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Engine out with no dramas, drop it off at dunnel in the morning for all the work to be done
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 16/2/14 at 11:54 PM |
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Sounds good :-)
Give a man a fish & it will feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod & you've saved a fish.
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daveb666
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| posted on 19/2/14 at 09:49 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt5964
Engine out with no dramas, drop it off at dunnel in the morning for all the work to be done
details details!!
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matt5964
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| posted on 21/2/14 at 11:21 PM |
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Well, the head is getting ported flowed and polished, then some custom cams, competition springs retainers etc. bottom end bolts, lightened
flywheel,crank pulley and balancing.
Then i have a dash2 to fit. Once run in its off to emerald for a remap and bigger injectors(not sure which ones yet, maybe let Dave suggest which to
have)
Not sure if I need to do anything else at this point
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 22/2/14 at 02:16 PM |
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Hope you've booked well in advance with Emerald ,well worth the wait.
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