Hi everyone, new here but i think over the next few months you could get to know me well, i'm BIG JOHN, i should be at the stoneleigh show with a rolling chassis in the owners section, if anyone is going i will see you there, i will be the one with a crowd round my car, it is going to be a bit of a show stopper even as a rolling chassis i hope!!!!!, i'm having my engine shipped straight to dean (new luego owner)so he can mock up the install ready for stoneleigh, it will be turning up under a sheet, hope to get a couple of mags on standby for the sheet coming off, trust me it will get noticed, this engine has never been used before as far as i know in a 7 style car, have only ever seen one of these engines in one cobra replica.
Welcome to Locostbuilders Big John. I am intrigued as to what engine you are planning on using.... I will be at Stoneleigh, so I will pop over and find out for myself! Good luck with your build.
I'm guessing LS1 V8?
i ordered the engine yesterday ( cutting it fine for stoneleigh ) and it should be at heathrow by about next friday, the salvage company in america
are listing the mileage as just 391, not sure on engine year but i think it will be about a 2006 engine, it is a standard production engine.
if it turns up at heathrow on friday it will be with dean on friday, gives him 2 weeks to get a rolling chassis
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Originally posted by AdamR
I'm guessing LS1 V8?
Welcome John,
Viper, V10?
diesel??
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Originally posted by stevec
Welcome John,
Viper, V10?
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| You sir, are bonkers :-)
A crowd of psychiatrists.
I new some barmy sod would do it one day.
I will collect my coconut at Stoneleigh.
Steve.
[Edited on 12/4/07 by stevec]
Welcome big John to the Barmy Army other wise known as the luego owners club subsection Viento owners. It will be good to see you there.
Enjoy.
Welcome to the nuthouse... Big Bad John
You will need some big / wide back wheels to lay that power down on the tarmac!
It will sound DeeeeVineeeee
Good Luck with it.
i think when it is built i could have a problem with traction, i'm hoping to run toyo 888's all round 295/30 18 on the back and maybe 255 on
the front,
have measured the viento and the engine should fit!!!, 500hp and 525Ibft, if its the later engine its 510 and 535 but i don't think thats going
to make much difference.
you sir are mad - but your in the right place - you are going to fit in just fine
Welcolm to the Mad House.
regards
Agriv8
Brilliant, With that torque I reckon the first time you drop the clutch the bottom face of the diff will be pointing at the sky.
Steve.
alright BJ!
the pictures that tempted me!!!!!!!
I don't really understand the point but it will sound nice though.
I would have thought the point was obvious....... because you can!!!!! Is there any other point to all this really? Can't wait to have a peek though. Good luck big john.
That is going to shift.........in circles
it needs a cobra to go in really, should be funny in a 7lol
will you be fitting a turbo ?
in your mad world does it smell of burning rubber and does it have a blue smokey sky.
Fantastic mate, welcome and goodluck
Rich
Good grief....
Looking foward to seeing this......
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Originally posted by bj928
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Originally posted by stevec
Welcome John,
Viper, V10?
yes
do you think it will get a crowd!!!!!
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Originally posted by bj928
the pictures that tempted me!!!!!!!
those 5 into 1 is just screaming for a couple of turbos to be bolted up!!!!!!!!!
all the best in your current project mate!
Steve
ps - see you (and it) at Stoneleigh...
Love it!
Go on then-how much ??
Hope its not a Std Viento Chassis. The LV350 is more suitable for that sort of engine
nice looking engine though:d
BJ - welcome. You bloody looney
What diff are you using. Sierra may not be up to job, I suspect.
ATB
Simon
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Originally posted by cossiebri
Love it!
Go on then-how much ??
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Originally posted by wilkingj
Hope its not a Std Viento Chassis. The LV350 is more suitable for that sort of engine
nice looking engine though:d
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Originally posted by Simon
BJ - welcome. You bloody looney
What diff are you using. Sierra may not be up to job, I suspect.
ATB
Simon
That's great, when it is done you could pack it off to Top Gear and let the Stig do his thing with it!
Good luck to you.
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Originally posted by Steve Lovelock
That's great, when it is done you could pack it off to Top Gear and let the Stig do his thing with it!
Good luck to you.
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Originally posted by bj928
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Originally posted by cossiebri
Love it!
Go on then-how much ??
engine and box, with only 391 miles on the clock, yes 391!!!!! so basiclly new, with all the wiring and ecu shipped to the uk and all duty paid about £6800, not bad for 500hp and 525Ibft with a gearbox that can take the power.
noooooo!a fast boat anchor
best turn me boost up!!!
Hello John
Well you went and done it, hopefully you will enjoy the build as much as I have. Thanks to both of you for coming around and sorting the loom for
me,haven't mucked around with this one so all is on track.
I am off to Detling Saturday and not able to attend on your show day so make sure you take pics and get them posted.
Good luck and hopefully I will get to see it in it's true glory.
Cheers
Kieth
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Originally posted by worX
those 5 into 1 is just screaming for a couple of turbos to be bolted up!!!!!!!!!
all the best in your current project mate!
Steve
ps - see you (and it) at Stoneleigh...
Hells teeth
Watch out for low flying aircraft, you might be joining them!
Look forward to seeing this.
Cheers
Dave
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Originally posted by Steve Lovelock
That's great, when it is done you could pack it off to Top Gear and let the Stig do his thing with it!
Good luck to you.
I would invest some money in traction controll.
Should be popping down to Deans on Saterday am. Might have a sneaky look if the engine is there already....
Hope to finish mine this year - just a small rover V8 - But should be fun to drive. Hope to see you at Stoneleigh.
Paul
Thought i had better come say hello as i will be helping to build the Viento with John.
I got roped in as i have had a hand in building a few kits before but nothing like this lol.
Project has been 2 years in the planning and is, as you all know, about to become real I for 1 can't wait .
Im basicly going to be in sole charge of getting the engine running as i have devolped a bit of a wiring skill lol.
Be good to meet some more of you at the show when, if all goes according to plan, we should have the engine box and diff mounted in a rolling
chassis.
Its all dependant on if the engine arrives from the USA in time, diff casing will defo arrive in time.
We will keep you all posted as to how were getting on with it over the comming months esp when i get the engine running i'm sure ill post a video
of that lol.
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Originally posted by Fub
Hello John
Well you went and done it, hopefully you will enjoy the build as much as I have. Thanks to both of you for coming around and sorting the loom for me,haven't mucked around with this one so all is on track.
I am off to Detling Saturday and not able to attend on your show day so make sure you take pics and get them posted.
Good luck and hopefully I will get to see it in it's true glory.
Cheers
Kieth
Hello mate
Thanks for thinking it had been powder coated but it was all my own work with paint stripper, a scraper, lots of elbow grease and tins of lovely
silver. I masked up all areas before painting and w2ill have to go through the process again as I have chipped and scratched it with the engine
hoist.
Any joy with a fuel pump?
All the local breakers have is internal and no one at Detling sold them and especially exhaust manufacturers, where are they?
I have had to unpick the wiring for the altenator as I have managed to fit it at the bottom on the n/s but may have an issue with the bottom hose. Not
sure yet as I haven't made the adjuster bracket yet.
Anyway good to have you both around as I am confident you will always be available for advice and that it's greatly appreciated
Have a good one with the V10, gives a shout as to when I can see it as I am not going to the grand sheet removal as we are at Legoland.
Good luck
Kieth
Will let you know when we get back here and your welcome to pop over anytime to have a look besides anything its a lot closer lol
As for the pump have you tried giving part co a call 01233 620452 just ask them for a sierra 2.8 xr4i fuel pump A reg will do the job properly.
won a granada cosworth on ebay, collected and stripped it today for the hubs, steering and a few other bits, going over a mates tomorrow to sand blast
everything and paint them, engine is with the shippers, should be here about wednesday fingers crossed, so as it is so far, everything on target for
stoneleigh.
kept the engine as a spare, but if anyone is looking for a 24v engine its up for grabs cheep, its done 124k and went like a rocket, quickest one
i've been in for a while and i must have driven and broken about 30 of these now, PM me if interested.
[Edited on 21/4/07 by bj928]
Don't forget, a picture speaks a thousand words. And it looks better too, so we'll be expecting lots and lots of pics
Whereabouts in Kent are you? I'll understand if you don't want to announce publicly, so feel free to tell me to p orf, or use U2U to do
same
ATB
Simon
Simon i dont think there will be any probs if you want to come have a look see or any one else really so as soon as we get the car back and get all
sorted will let you know and you are more than welcome to pop over.
Were not far any way will be somewhere around whitstable so wont take ya long to come see it.
All were doing now is praying the engine arrives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
simon,
im in t wells, we should meet one day.
just had a phone call, the engine is in heathrow, should be customs cleared in about 24hours, just need to get it from heathrow to luego now.
will take camara with me and get some nice photos
Never heard you on the phone sounding like a little school boy before just coz ya new toy has arrived pmsl
Totally made my day
engine has cleared customs and will be with luego on monday, been speaking to them, and they are going to try their best to have it ready for stoneleigh, so keep tuned
well guys i tried my best, but it looks like the engine didn't get to luego in time to sort out a chassis, spoke to ben tonight and it is a bit
more involved than was thought to get the engine in, so rather than collecting it and having to take it back to get chassis finnished i have decided
to leave it with them to finnish at their own pace and make sure its stong and right, so it will be down to ben to bring photos and for me to come and
see you all at the show without car, will hope to have it rolling for brands hatch end of the month or newark next month, or even both,
it amazed me, it took 4 days to travel 5000 miles from its salvage yard to heathrow, then 7 days to travel from heathrow to hull after it cleared
customs.
bj
How big a fuel tank are you going to have. With my mere 3.5l engine and 7 gallon tank, I tend to find myslf filling up after 100 miles
Gauge is a bit vague, but better safe than sorry.
ATB
Simon
going to have a custom tank made, 15 gallon i would think, thinking of fitting a small lpg tank as well, if it will help with the tax!!!!!!!
Just picked up on the forum after a break. Work. Can't believe the pictures !! I've got a small block chevy in my viento and the biggest
problem is cooling the beast. Problems like fuel tanks and traction are overcome although you may need some wider wings and look at porsche cup
wheels. Let me know if you need any help !
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Originally posted by chrisj
Just picked up on the forum after a break. Work. Can't believe the pictures !! I've got a small block chevy in my viento and the biggest problem is cooling the beast. Problems like fuel tanks and traction are overcome although you may need some wider wings and look at porsche cup wheels. Let me know if you need any help !
Its an ally headed one which cuts a few pounds off but I would put it close to 250kg. The tremec gearbox is about 25 - 30kg. Fuel tank is a double height affair so takes about 50 litres. If you are getting a custom made rad I would be in for one as well as my standard one isn't up to it. The problem is in the amount of space you have in the nose, probably be able to add a few more rows but you've still got to look at ducting the heat out of the engine bay other wise cooked legs and everything else. Send us a u2u.
i've put a quick page together as a start of my web site, http://www.v10viento.co.uk/ ,i will post new pics as and when i get them, so keep tuned.
Is that V10 as compact as it looks? I've always fancied a big silly engine in a silly little car!
i don't know yet, i haven't seen it in the flesh, its been delivered straight to hull to be fitted in the chassis and i'm 250 miles away, collect it on the 26th, from what i have been told, it is compact for what it is but it is a BIG engine, well it is 8.3 ltrs. from the measurments i had, it should be about the size of a v12 jag engine
Bit lighter though I hope?!
i hope so, it is alloy block and heads
thats one big engine compared to my V8
Paul
jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
You'll need to move the clutch master cylinder over to prevent it snagging on the engine rails. Put the hydraulic clutch cable in before you
mount the thing ! You need to mock up where the down tube comes out so you don't snag the steering column. I still don't know how your going
to keep that thing cold enough.
Is their enough clearance to get it under the bonnet or is it the mother of all engine bulges.
For the engine mounts I had some fabricated by a hot rod place in Wisbech rated at 1000 bhp. I was expecting the whole car to twist when I pushed the
pedal but the mounts don't even move.
Those pic's are old we still dont have the chassis yet hope to be getting it saturday i think the pedel box etc has all been moved to compensate updated pics will be here saturday afternoon or sunday morning
I'm sooo looking forward to seeing the next lot of pics
Where's the steering column going?!?!
ATB
Simon
Holy mother of God!
I thought I must have missed a few posts so dipped into the forum pages to check. Big John, Sir; you are certifiable and you're going to need
fly-by-wire and trousers-by-dupont.
Please, please get some video of when you get that monster started without headers - that I gotta see...
Dont worry now i know what the important wire does that make the management work as soon as i get it to start ill have a video done for you all to see
lol.
Still need to work out the small details like stearing coloum etc but we will get there
got the engine and chassis at last, nice run, now the fun begins, some picures for your enjoyment
the moddified chassis
then engine and chassis, doing a dry fit tomorrow to see what needs changing or adjusting before it goes for painting.
the diff mounted, as you can see, different mounts to the 7/7.5 normally fitted, this is an 8.8 out of a mustang.
back diff mounting, not sure this will take 500hp+ so may get changed.
me getting to know my engine!!!!!!!!
Looking good! Although I expected the chassis to be much more modified than that, as it looks little different to my eyes. May I suggest a couple of things? Feel free to tell me to wee off, but they may help. Firstly, a full roll cage will add hugely to the chassis stiffness and strength. Secondly, an over the engine cradle/frame. Someone posted one on here a while back, but I can't find it. It basicaly tied the front suspension points, the upper engine bay rails and the scuttle bars together to create much better triangulation of the engine bay, as this is one of the main weak points in these types of chassis.
not keen on the whole cage as i think it spoils the shape, will be looking at how to put more stiffness into the chassis so i'll have a look for the thread you say about.
In the third picture we see you dropping the diff in some kind of mount.
I would weld a horizontal V (out of Tube)
to that tube. 500Bhp isn't killing it!
Its the torque that will kill it.
Sow beefing it up isn't luxeury
Tks
BJ,
Have to concur with the boys - Now is the time to add a little weight penalty to avoid something tearing (literally) later. Firstly, IMHO, that
doesn't look like a LV350 chassis. In the picture I've added from memory the bars I though were in the LV350 (in thin red lines - the floor
pan ones seamed all their length to the pan) and in thick lines the bars I'd add to give you some front section stiffness.
Hope this makes sense, cheers, Neil.
BJ chassis opts
once again, I jump with excitement, but surely it would be better to just strap some wheels to the engine.
I'm sure you could fashion some brackets to hole the wings on, you don't need a windscreen, seats mights be a problem, but just an
engineering challange!!!.
That engine is giagantic !!!!!! makes my v8 look like a sowing machine.!
Just out of interest how you gonna fashion a bigger tank
Cheers
Holy cow that is one lump of an engine!
Are you planning wider rear arches to take the monster rear tyres it will need to put that horsepower down?
Mark
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Just out of interest how you gonna fashion a bigger tank
Cheers
NeilP
i will be getting it looked at by a friend who will add some strenth where needed, but we need to get engine in to see what space we got to play with,
rear diff mounting need looking at for sure.
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Originally posted by darrens
............ but surely it would be better to just strap some wheels to the engine.
NeilP
Thanks for the lines i can see exactly what you mean and we had already been talking about most of those so it good to see were thinking right. You
say the diagonal bars on the floor pan are seamed the full length whats your opinion on doing all the floorpan welds seamed full length?
Now im home from wor were going to pop the engine in after a quick makeshift fit up of the section you suggest that goes above the bellhousing to make
sure it will still go in with it there and then defo have that done if it does.
More pics tonight i would assume lol
Thinking about it - I do get a lot of flex in my floor which would be helped by seaming all the cross bars and by putting some 5mm steel
section across where the seats attached.
For the sake of a few grams of weld I'd stitch it as tightly together as you can! Last thing we want is you and BJ on here with a picture of you
both sat looking sad in the rear of your car on the starting line whilst the front makes a bold attempt at the first corner!!!
I've found the thread I was on aboout. It's here. It's based on 1" x 16 swg tubing, so your's should be up on that already, but the knee bars, and over engine barcing ar bits you may wish to look at. Liam managed to get a figure of 5000 lbft/degree IIRC.
heres the photos you guys have been waiting for.
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front end of chassis has been changed a lot compared to a normal Viento.....
Bj,
I'd deffo do what you can over top of front of box, and I'd sheet as much of tunnel as poss.
Quite neat that really
ATB
Simon
I think you might have to have a bonnet bulge.
Did you make the appropriate noises when siting in the chassis?? brm brm? or whatever noise a v10 makes?
No he resisted the temptation to do that mainly coz ill have the engine running in a few weeks if i got the wiring right lol
Blimey! Are you going to be able to see over that for the SVA? IIRC there's something about the forward field of view.
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Originally posted by DIY Si
Blimey! Are you going to be able to see over that for the SVA? IIRC there's something about the forward field of view.
Automotive porn ... I've just made a stain that even Vanish might have a job tackling
Neil what the hell are you going to do when you get to hear it run let alone look at it pmsl
this will be interesting to see once its finished, likeing the idea of 0-60 in 1 gear
cant wait to see/hear a video of it running
but will you ever beable to get all that power to the ground? maybe for the next V10 7 you might need to go for awd to get the power to the ground
Funny you should say about awd have already looked into it and we know broadly how to do it too.
Maybe a supercharged version will be awd lol
what kind of transmission would you be thinking of using to get awd? something out of a 4x4 could work since weight isnt that much of an issue if your
edging on 1000bhp
best to keep it a bit simpler for the moment i guess as im sure its going to be hard as it is to get it all to work with out complicating it with
extra driveshafts and stuff
Is there any way you can extend the gear lever further back. Looking at the pics (albeit not 100% easy to tell) it looks like the finished gearlever will be under the dash
Again another thing that needs to be looked at
Lots of problems to solve ahead of you but it will be worth it in the end.
In the next year or so we should be able to organise a convoy of 10 - 15 Viento's to one of the shows.....
That will produce a big CO2 footprint!!!!!!!!!
Paul
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Originally posted by goodall
what kind of transmission would you be thinking of using to get awd? something out of a 4x4 could work since weight isnt that much of an issue if your edging on 1000bhp
best to keep it a bit simpler for the moment i guess as im sure its going to be
hard as it is to get it all to work with out complicating it with extra driveshafts and stuff
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the 6 speed R34 skyline box is a getrag, and i think its the same make as the dodge pickup 4x4, so they may do a bellhousing that would alow fitting.
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Originally posted by goodall
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the 6 speed R34 skyline box is a getrag, and i think its the same make as the dodge pickup 4x4, so they may do a bellhousing that would alow fitting.
that would be a good place to also get the drivetrain as well then, but maybe the ratios arnt as good as those you can get with the the mustang diff
ah so you have considered the option and even done some research , thats good to see
have to keep a eye open on your build and any of your future builds cause as it sounds very interesting
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Originally posted by Paul (Notts)we should be able to organise a convoy of 10 - 15 Viento's to one of the shows.....
That will produce a big CO2 footprint!!!!!!!!!
Tonights quick update
Heeeeey (in the voice of Zaphod Beeblebrox), it's nearly finished
Nice big workshop. Almost as if you could walk round the car
ATB
Simon
the workshop is 40' X 40', is next doors though, just sold my place with 2 double garages at the bottom of garden, thats whats financing
the build, the workshop is nice, but the veiw is even better.
[Edited on 30/5/07 by bj928]
Oh sod the view unless you include the supercharged jet ski and the ramp at the bottom of the garden to get into the sea lol
New hubs should arrive today and should also have quick adjust top mounts for camber i hope pics later
was talking to the owner of rally design today and from what i can tell, the front sierra hubs are a "make do", the setup seems to be originaly designed for cortina uprights, but when i asked bens brother if i could use cortina uprights he said no, the question is, if i can't why, or can i.
Que? The viento wishbones are designed for sierra bits - s'what most of us have used and they all work....
should be getting access to a set of these to try after newark,
http://www.wilwood.com/Products/010-spindles/001-pinto/index.asp
and a set of 6 pot wilwood 6 pots + 330mm discs
BJ,
330mm might not be enough - See if you can find one of these that he's towing in a scrapper
big brake