Mr Whippy
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 03:29 PM |
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Done this before?
Hi,
First time I think I have posted on the midi section  but a new project beckons so if you will have a look at that picture and ignore if you can the
mess  can you make out the layout of the engine and box? I'm wondering has anyone done a midi like that?
What's it meant to be? type FW11B into google Images and you'll see...
 
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donut
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 03:37 PM |
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What engine is that?
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
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02GF74
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 03:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by donut
What engine is that?
tut tut you can do better.
notice distributor cap and twin port exhasut manifold and V shaped engine mated to a Ford gearbox - perhaps a Ford V4 - fitted to consuls/early
granada (guessing cars here but pretty sure ford did v4).
... and answering the question - must have been done before but not something I would know about - it would result in a pretty long (insert
"unnecessariyly long" in front) wheelbase.
[Edited on 29/11/07 by 02GF74]
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cloudy
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 03:42 PM |
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that's going to be one serious long wheelbase!
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D Beddows
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 03:46 PM |
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And quite a gear lever linkage
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worX
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 03:54 PM |
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LOL - that was my first thought!
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Originally posted by D Beddows
And quite a gear lever linkage
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 03:57 PM |
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quote:
notice distributor cap and twin port exhasut manifold and V shaped engine mated to a Ford gearbox - perhaps a Ford V4
Distributor cap would indicate to me that it's a V6!
[Edited on 29/11/07 by matt_claydon]
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daviep
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 03:57 PM |
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Looks like a V6 to me?
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smart51
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 03:57 PM |
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I guess you could sit either side of the engine, like a truck. It would be as wide as a truck then though.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 03:58 PM |
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have look at this thread
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cloudy
that's going to be one serious long wheelbase!
Tut tut it's my 2.8 v6, no look at this picture (the one that gave me the idea in the first place) replace that fuel tank with the v6 and bingo
it all fits I have layed it out on the floor and it's only a couple of feet longer than the 7. As for the gearlinkage a) autobox b) push pull
link as per the F1 car...
 
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mcerd1
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:10 PM |
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yeh ford did make a few V4's
the essex V6 started life as one and there was a V4 cologne too
but I fairly sure thats a 2.8 cologne V6
here's a tarted up one from burtons site:
[Edited on 29/11/07 by mcerd1]
damm, I'm a slow at this typing 
isn't the two port manifold bucause the 2.8 has stupid Siamese ports on the head ?
[Edited on 29/11/07 by mcerd1]
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:12 PM |
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i'm sure you could build it that way. But if it was me I'd be looking for a tansaxle gearbox..would be lighter and shorter I reckon.
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02GF74
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
quote:
notice distributor cap and twin port exhasut manifold and V shaped engine mated to a Ford gearbox - perhaps a Ford V4
Distributor cap would indicate to me that it's a V6!
You are assuming the distributor cap is the correct one and not put on ther to fool you. It's a V4 I tell you 
It is it is it is It is it is it is It is it is it is It is it is it is It is it is it is !!!!!! So there
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fatfranky
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:24 PM |
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I was thinkinfg the same about transaxle, possibly Audi or renault
Have a look at what Mark Chandler has done here, seems to make more sense
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=78360
Edit
In fact why not get the whole Audi V6 or V8 engine and box then there's no adapter to worry about either
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:31 PM |
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Here's another view, you can see the wheelbase is not much at all and best thing is that heavy engine is smack in the center of the car a true
mid engine
silly bugs roof is in the way, tisk
[Edited on 29/11/07 by Mr Whippy]
 
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snapper
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:33 PM |
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Its a V6 i tell you with siamesed ports the V4 which a mate of mine had in his Capri had incredably small rockercovers and you could have fitted 2 in
the capri.
As for the layout i have also seen this done with a Jag V12 engine gearbox and axle and it looked SH1T, far to much flat body behind and driver
sitting so far forward he was practicaly over the front wheels. If you are making a midi use a transaxle and a decent engine, the older V6 Kent or the
early Cologne will only make 125bhp unless you throw big money at them. IMHO
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wilkingj
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:36 PM |
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Its a 2.8litre v6 (could be the 2.3l)
Its got 3 spark plugs, and a 6 pot Dizzy are the giveaways. They had a siamesed and a single exhaust port on each side.
Had one of these in my old Land rover.. Went like hell.. Revved very well.
Downside is the Cam geartrain has a fibre cog and these wear unevenly with the resistance from the valves feeding back to the teeth on the cog.
2.9 litre v6 had a chain.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
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mookaloid
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
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notice distributor cap and twin port exhasut manifold and V shaped engine mated to a Ford gearbox - perhaps a Ford V4
Distributor cap would indicate to me that it's a V6!
You are assuming the distributor cap is the correct one and not put on ther to fool you. It's a V4 I tell you
It is it is it is It is it is it is It is it is it is It is it is it is It is it is it is !!!!!! So there
Deffo V6 - I can see two spark plugs and the empty plug hole at the front.
Also agree a colgne as the essex had dizzy at the front and not siamesed ports.
Cheers
Mook
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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wilkingj
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by snapper
If you are making a midi use a transaxle and a decent engine, the older V6 Kent or the early Cologne will only make 125bhp unless you throw big money
at them. IMHO
Agreed... If you want a ford V6, then put the 2.9 Cossie out of a granada in it. 200Bhp out of the box.
The 2.8 and 2.9's were not very tuneable, mainly down to breathing problems, and not being able to open the inlet tracts up.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:43 PM |
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2.8 v6 140bhp, have replaced the fiber timing cog with a metal one. Had this engine in the JBA Falcon but it ended up plain dangerous and unable to
stop (crashed it twice). I've got these huge wheels a recon engine & gearbox, limited slip diff, huge brakes and about 80 of the mechanics
already bought and I intend on using them...
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mcerd1
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 04:54 PM |
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well that 4 of us mentoned the 'stupid Siamese ports' in 1/2 an hour
the 2.9 is a big improvment on paper - timing chain, no Siamese ports and so on - but not much more power for all that
so I'd also say if you really want a V6 - get a cossie 24v
(at least it would be an easy(ish) swap later as long as there is a bit of room round the engine and your gearbox can coupe)
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MikeR
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 05:07 PM |
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Malloc (i think) did a modified tail shaft for a type 9 to reduce the size. Might be worth looking into them as it would reduce some of the rear size
(i thought about this previously for a simple rear engined car ....)
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 05:09 PM |
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I had a 2.9 in my Capri Mk1, it sounded far nicer and had more torque than the 2.8 though I had bother with the chain being worn. The 2.8's
ports are not quite as bad as they first look as when you go through the timing sequence there is a big gap before each cylinder try’s to use the port
(i.e. you never have two cylinders venting at the same time). That engine in the Falcon could wheel spin in 3rd from standstill so in this new car
which will be half the weight, I think it’s plenty.
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oadamo
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| posted on 29/11/07 at 05:12 PM |
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break the mould and do it. if it doesnt work just use an audi box then cut the back down to make it shorter job done.
adam
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