lsdweb
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 08:56 PM |
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Going mid engined!
Hi All
Im seriously considering a mid engined project, using a Blackbird engine and Quaife Powertec Gear Drive System, but dont quite know which way to go.
I want to continue running in the road going kit car and specials class in sprints and hillclimbs. I have, I think, three options:
LMP fantastic car great chassis but budget is limited and I had a real bast*rd of a time with SVA last time so want to avoid it if possible.
Z cars Mini again great car but pricey for the kit. I don't like the way the engine and diff sit so high with steeply angled driveshafts.
Self built Z cars style utilising rear wishbones / uprights from one of the IRS 7 style cars (Avon as I have the book), fitted to a rear box
section frame copying the 7 but narrowed for the right track, with the engine/ diff etc built into this and all built into the back of a chopped
Mini with comprehensive cage. I can draw this all up but need to persuade my friend to fabricate it all and hes a bit hesitant!
Any thoughts?
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welderman
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 09:10 PM |
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Self built Z cars style utilising rear wishbones / uprights from one of the IRS 7 style cars (Avon as I have the book), fitted to a rear box
section frame copying the 7 but narrowed for the right track, with the engine/ diff etc built into this and all built into the back of a chopped
Mini with comprehensive cage. I can draw this all up but need to persuade my friend to fabricate it all and hes a bit hesitant!
I have gone this route..jpg...jpg)
Thank's, Joe 
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KJK
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 09:11 PM |
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mid engine
sylva r1ot?
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welderman
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 09:15 PM |
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Another..jpg.....jpg)
Thank's, Joe
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lsdweb
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 09:57 PM |
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Hi Welderman - awesome!
Do you want to build another one....
Can I ask what 'book' measurements you've used and how you've got this to line up with the Mini shell etc.
Regards
Wyn
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Triton
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 09:58 PM |
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Unless my eyes are playing silly beggars that engine looks a tad high
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
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Minicooper
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 10:05 PM |
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Isbweb
A mini with the Powetec box is far to long to fit in a mini, your face would be against the screen
The Blackbird alone is 22 inches from exhaust manifold to back of gearbox, if you measure a mini you will see you have 26 27 maximum before the
seating becomes impossible
Welderman
Is your setup anything to do with MK? are you using sierra bits?
Cheers
David
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Peteff
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 10:12 PM |
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Put it in the back of a Sooty van, everybody does Minis.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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lsdweb
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 10:16 PM |
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Thanks David
I'd obviously meassure it all up first - I haven't picked up the engine / diff combo yet so cant say.
Of course, there's nothing to say I couldn't offset the engine to the passenger side and put the seat agaisnt the windscreen....
There are loads of other options (hatchbacks appeal to me for ease of access) but i'm not yet decided.
Regards
Wyn
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welderman
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 10:19 PM |
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1st. Yes i will probably build another, this is just a learning stage for me, building the MK was easy compared to this.
2nd. Based it on the car that Martin of MK Engineering is building for UKLEE. Bought the Quaife carrier and asked questions, no measurements were take
as that would not be fair on Martin.
3rd. Measured up the Mini as i was stripping it down and came up with the dimensions to get it to fit it, will take some more pic's and post
them tomorrow as it is now fitted for the time being.
4th. Yes the R1 engine was toooo high, subsequently it has now been lowered, what a job that was.
5th. Sierra and Fiesta parts and of course Mini.
Thank's, Joe
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lsdweb
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 10:35 PM |
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Many thanks welderman
Much appreciated!
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welderman
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 10:37 PM |
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Ok, have you made up your mind, see your selling up.
Thank's, Joe
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lsdweb
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 10:41 PM |
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Well I've just done the deal on the Blackbird engine and Quaife diff etc so I have to do something! I want to go mid engined and have competed
in Minis for years so this seems the obvious choice!
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welderman
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 10:53 PM |
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Sounds like a good choice to me, hope all goes well. Keep us all up to date.
Joe
Thank's, Joe
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Triton
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 11:10 PM |
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Sooty van........cool
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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welderman
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 11:13 PM |
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Could be Mi next project.
Fiat 126
[Edited on 13/11/05 by welderman]
 
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Thank's, Joe
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Triton
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 11:15 PM |
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I nearly did that in 1988 but the bloody fiat fell apart before the Z650 engine found it's way into the back....
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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welderman
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 11:24 PM |
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I loved the washer jet, push button thingy. Always puts a smile on my face when i see one. Not often now though.
Thank's, Joe
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Triton
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| posted on 13/11/05 at 11:33 PM |
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Ours had a full length sunroof, tit here opened it while going along...it almost ripped my arm off as it flung open...then the fag i had landed on
the parcel shelf....nearly crashed pishing myself laughing
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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Rorty
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| posted on 14/11/05 at 03:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by lsdweb
Hi All
Im seriously considering a mid engined project, using a Blackbird engine and Quaife Powertec Gear Drive System, but dont quite know which way to go.
I want to continue running in the road going kit car and specials class in sprints and hillclimbs. I have, I think, three options:
LMP fantastic car great chassis but budget is limited and I had a real bast*rd of a time with SVA last time so want to avoid it if possible.
Z cars Mini again great car but pricey for the kit. I don't like the way the engine and diff sit so high with steeply angled driveshafts.
Self built Z cars style utilising rear wishbones / uprights from one of the IRS 7 style cars (Avon as I have the book), fitted to a rear box
section frame copying the 7 but narrowed for the right track, with the engine/ diff etc built into this and all built into the back of a chopped
Mini with comprehensive cage. I can draw this all up but need to persuade my friend to fabricate it all and hes a bit hesitant!
Any thoughts?
yes, you've really answered your own question: If you can't fabricate stuff and your friend is hesitant (some friend!  ), then you have
no option but to buy a kit or turn key car.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
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Rorty
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| posted on 14/11/05 at 03:15 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Triton
Unless my eyes are playing silly beggars that engine looks a tad high
Just a tad high? I'd say so.
Ah! I just read welderman's comment. What is the current height of the engine? How did you manage to lower it?
[Edited on 14/11/05 by Rorty]
Cheers, Rorty.
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lsdweb
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| posted on 14/11/05 at 10:45 AM |
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Hi Rorty
I can weld but it's not that good so I wouldn't trust myself. I'm sure my mate will come around to my way of thinking when his
workshop is looking empty and there's no current project to keep him away from his wife!
Wyn
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welderman
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| posted on 14/11/05 at 03:11 PM |
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Rorty, lowereded the engine in it's home made frame about 25mm, then lowered the diff carrier about 50mm. That way the driveshafts are nearly
level. Oh and just made it 50mm wider on each side so 100mm overall now. Down side is the 75mm wide arches are not big enough.
 
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Thank's, Joe
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welderman
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| posted on 14/11/05 at 03:13 PM |
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wide
 
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Thank's, Joe
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Minicooper
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| posted on 14/11/05 at 06:57 PM |
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I'm also doing a mid engined R1 mini, I'm using a dedion setup because of packaging and because of the ease of setup compared to a self
designed IRS which I'm sure I would make a complete arse off.
I originally tried to the engine in the front with FWD but really struggled, I think properly sorted this would be the way to go with a mini
Cheers
David
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